Gay

[Unveiled Artist]

Just have to say: What right do some straight people have to think they know gay people well enough to know whether they personally made the choice in their sexual orientation?

Do some straight people know us gay people on well to generalize who we are "individually" by studies of half of the people who are not gay?

 

[Norman]

You do realize you don't have to be gay to support gay marriage rights, don't you? Many heterosexual people (particularly among the youth) support legal same sex marriage, so the "you and yours is a dying breed" is still an accurate statement, regardless of the size of the gay population.

Norman: Why don't we bounce some polls back and forth to each other and see which way this sways instead of you said, I said?

 

[Norman]

Just have to say: What right do some straight people have to think they know gay people well enough to know whether they personally made the choice in their sexual orientation?

Do some straight people know us gay people on well to generalize who we are "individually" by studies of half of the people who are not gay?

Norman: Easy Answer Carlita, because most of them if not all keep claiming that it is not a choice.

 

[SomeRandom]

Norman: Why don't we bounce some polls back and forth to each other and see which way this sways instead of you said, I said?

Okay, go ahead. I'm not in the survey business, I suppose you are? Get back to me with the results.
In Australia at the moment, the polls seem to indicate support for SSM.
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
Poll shows growing support for same-sex marriage
Fairfax/Ipsos poll: Gay marriage support at record | afr.com

And bear in mind that in Australia voting is legally mandatory.

So in your opinion should this indicate that it should be legal, given that support overall seems relatively high?

 

[Norman]

What's to discuss? As you imply, homophobes aren't worth anyone's time.

Norman: Hi jojorn, what do you imply?

 

[SomeRandom]

Norman: Simply, because there is no evidence that it is not a choice biologically speaking. You said the same to me about heterosexuals and I said no.

So being straight is a choice? You're actively choosing to be straight? Bit hypocritical to lobby the "choice" word at gay people like it's something bad, then.
I thought yours was a free country? Why the hell care if someone chooses (why anyone would choose to be demeaned by society is beyond me, but whatever) to be gay?

Also, epi genetics are a thing, you do know this right? This is the field of study that is actively saying, yes gay and straight people are BORN THAT WAY. It also happens to be a Biological Discipline.

 

[Norman]

Okay, go ahead. I'm not in the survey business, I suppose you are? Get back to me with the results.
In Australia at the moment, the polls seem to indicate support for SSM.
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
Poll shows growing support for same-sex marriage
Fairfax/Ipsos poll: Gay marriage support at record | afr.com

And bear in mind that in Australia voting is legally mandatory.

So in your opinion should this indicate that it should be legal, given that support overall seems relatively high?

Norman: so, you want to do one country at a time? I am not in the survey business either, my point was I am not going to go back and forth like a puppet with you and keep regurgitating the same thing.

 

[SomeRandom]

Norman: so, you want to do one country at a time? I am not in the survey business either, my point was I am not going to go back and forth like a puppet with you and keep regurgitating the same thing.

You're the one who said "gay people are not the majority so lets bounce some polls around about SSM" I merely answered that the size of the gay population is irrelevant to support for such a thing. Which it is, so what exactly are you arguing here?

If you're so sure that the people are behind your particular position on Gay Marriage, which is indicated by the context of your comments, then put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, not here... yet. I was referring to some bitterness I still feel for being banned from another forum for expressing the same thoughts. I call that an abuse of power.

What kind of forum? You may have broken the rules by expression such thoughts, in a way that proselytizing is against the forum rules here.
But, some forum mods do abuse their power.

 

[Norman]

So being straight is a choice? You're actively choosing to be straight? Bit hypocritical to lobby the "choice" word at gay people like it's something bad, then.
I thought yours was a free country? Why the hell care if someone chooses (why anyone would choose to be demeaned by society is beyond me, but whatever) to be gay?

Also, epi genetics are a thing, you do know this right? This is the field of study that is actively saying, yes gay and straight people are BORN THAT WAY. It also happens to be a Biological Discipline.

Norman: Where do you live? What epi genetics is saying and what they can actually prove are two different things. Keep fishing, there are a lot of spiritual piranhas out there be careful. You may feel it is demeaning and that is your opinion. Why do I care if someone chooses? Because, I am a defender of Traditional marriage, Adam and Eve = Children, the nuclear family, that's why.

 

[jojom]

Norman: Hi jojorn, what do you imply?

Their homophobia is so old hat and set in cement what they have to say in defense of it has ceased to be interesting.


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[Norman]

You're the one who said "gay people are not the majority so lets bounce some polls around about SSM" I merely answered that the size of the gay population is irrelevant to support for such a thing. Which it is, so what exactly are you arguing here?

If you're so sure that the people are behind your particular position on Gay Marriage, which is indicated by the context of your comments, then put your money where your mouth is.

Norman: NO, I did not say that gay people are not the majority! I said that people who support same sex attraction is not the majority, I said same sex marriage is a minority. Well, I can say the same for you, I assume you live in Australia because that is the first place that you showed a poll, am I correct? You see, when you start getting upset like you are, then you start to not make any sense. Yes, I am sure of what I said.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Norman: Hi Deathbydefault, I don't really believe you actually know who Satan really is for you to make that comment. You are saying and feeling exactly what Satan want's, he is a deceiver and he definitely does not care about you. Satan just want's to destroy as many people as he can and become miserable like he is.

Hm, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Before I could read the bible myself, Satan was literally everything that wasn't good in my mother's eyes.

Gays are Satan. Guns are Satan. Protestants are Satan. liberals are Satan. I'm Satan.
Yeah she's kinda over the top.

I've read the Bible enough to get who Satan is.
I honestly like him more, our personalities are similar.

All of that aside, I don't believe in Satan, this was all hypothetical.
If I had to choose between accepting God or falling to Satan then it would be Satan in a heartbeat.

If you can't guess why then that's probably why you're a Christian.

 

[SomeRandom]

Norman: Where do you live? What epi genetics is saying and what they can actually prove are two different things. Keep fishing, there are a lot of spiritual piranhas out there be careful. You may feel it is demeaning and that is your opinion. Why do I care if someone chooses? Because, I am a defender of Traditional marriage, Adam and Eve = Children, the nuclear family, that's why.

Australia? What does that even mean, epi genetics is a scientific discipline, proving something and saying something are intrinsically intertwined. No legitimate scientist goes around saying one thing and not bothering to back it up with evidence.
Beating people up, legal discrimination, insulting people are all demeaning, don't know what you find demeaning though.

Gay marriage doesn't magically make "traditional" marriage disappear, unless you are so insecure about the validity of "traditional" marriage that the mere existence of a marriage outside it's definition is enough to make you want to defend it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Norman: Hi Shadow Wolf, really? You would really rather go to Hell than spend eternity with God? I am sorry, you sound a big naïve and ignorant at the same time. If you really understood what you are saying I think you would have a different perspective on what you just said.

Yes, I would rather go to Hell than spend eternity with a god who condones slavery, is guilty of genocide, orders an army to slaughter entire tribes and take the women as sex slaves, and who carelessly allowed sin to pass on to those who had not sinned.

 

[SomeRandom]

Norman: NO, I did not say that gay people are not the majority! I said that people who support same sex attraction is not the majority, I said same sex marriage is a minority. Well, I can say the same for you, I assume you live in Australia because that is the first place that you showed a poll, am I correct? You see, when you start getting upset like you are, then you start to not make any sense. Yes, I am sure of what I said.

Like I said, if you got the cohonies to state that then put your money where your mouth is. I already posted data showing the support for the position I hold in my place of residence, I'm sure you can do the same.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Norman: Hi Shadow Wolf, same sex attraction is a minority and always will be. Just because the Supreme Court ruled for same sex marriage doesn't instantly make a minority a majority. Maybe we should bounce some polls around and see which direction this would sway?

It doesn't make them a majority, but the majority does now favor same-sex marriage. But, even if they didn't, to deny them their rights is not how a secular democracy works.

 

[Norman]

Like I said, if you got the cohonies to state that then put your money where your mouth is. I already posted data showing the support for the position I hold in my place of residence, I'm sure you can do the same.

Norman: I live in the United States
Public Opinion
A 2007 Pew Research Center survey found that while a majority of Americans (55%) oppose same-sex marriage, a sizable minority (37%) favor it, figures that have varied only slightly since 2001. A 2006 Pew survey also found that a majority of Americans (54%) favor allowing civil unions, up from 45% in 2003.

Source:

Same-Sex Marriage: Redefining Legal Unions Around the World | Pew Research Center

 

[SomeRandom]

Norman: I live in the United States
Public Opinion
A 2007 Pew Research Center survey found that while a majority of Americans (55%) oppose same-sex marriage, a sizable minority (37%) favor it, figures that have varied only slightly since 2001. A 2006 Pew survey also found that a majority of Americans (54%) favor allowing civil unions, up from 45% in 2003.

Source:

Same-Sex Marriage: Redefining Legal Unions Around the World | Pew Research Center

Now was that so hard?
Of course out of curiosity given that those stats are like a decade old I decided to go to the same source you quoted and got this. Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage | Pew Research Center
I found that kind of interesting. Also I learnt that PEW does not recognize Gen Y and mixes it together with the Millennial generation, which is rather odd. But whatever, not my survey site.

 

[jojom]

Now was that so hard?
Of course out of curiosity given that those stats are like a decade old I decided to go to the same source you quoted and got this. Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage | Pew Research Center
I found that kind of interesting. Also I learnt that PEW does not recognize Gen Y and mixes it together with the Millennial generation, which is rather odd. But whatever, not my survey site.

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