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[Marisa]

Norman: Where do you live? What epi genetics is saying and what they can actually prove are two different things. Keep fishing, there are a lot of spiritual piranhas out there be careful. You may feel it is demeaning and that is your opinion. Why do I care if someone chooses? Because, I am a defender of Traditional marriage, Adam and Eve = Children, the nuclear family, that's why.

I love it when people use the bible and then say "traditional marriage". That's a phrase with no meaning.

Historically, marriage was a contract between two families or two countries. Since women were owned by their fathers, they were traded for money, property, livestock and peace treaties for their ability to breed sons. Nice tradition, don't you think?

 

[Marisa]

Norman: NO, I did not say that gay people are not the majority! I said that people who support same sex attraction is not the majority, I said same sex marriage is a minority. Well, I can say the same for you, I assume you live in Australia because that is the first place that you showed a poll, am I correct? You see, when you start getting upset like you are, then you start to not make any sense. Yes, I am sure of what I said.

I posted a small smattering of polls which proves you are wrong about where the majority is.

 

[Marisa]

Norman: I live in the United States
Public Opinion
A 2007 Pew Research Center survey found that while a majority of Americans (55%) oppose same-sex marriage, a sizable minority (37%) favor it, figures that have varied only slightly since 2001. A 2006 Pew survey also found that a majority of Americans (54%) favor allowing civil unions, up from 45% in 2003.


Source:

Same-Sex Marriage: Redefining Legal Unions Around the World | Pew Research Center

Your poll is dated 2007. Post #138, same poll, June 2015 results. You ARE WRONG.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Norman: Easy Answer Carlita, because most of them if not all keep claiming that it is not a choice.[/QUOTE
Its not a choice. How woumd straight people know gay people so well than the gay person himself?

 

[ether-ore]

Meh, these forum owners have a right to set their own standards. You haven't given enough context anyway, for all we know you could been making derogatory homophobic remarks in a forum that is meant to be a safe place for people to be who they are. Don't expect much sympathy from us, okay?

For all we know? Are you always in the habit of assuming facts not in evidence?

 

[ether-ore]

Yeah that was a typo. It should have been silence. Sort of like how you used the wrong form of "you're".

Thing is, you don't get to say "I have no problem with my thoughts being examined when I post them publicly" and then accuse people who examine your thoughts of attempting to silence your right to speak. ROFLOL

You're is a contraction of 'you-are'. Where did I use that incorrectly?

 

[Marisa]

For all we know? Are you always in the habit of assuming facts not in evidence?

Way to totally misunderstand. I'm not judging you dude. Because I don't have enough facts by which to judge you. But you're demanding sympathy from us when we don't know the facts. Not gonna happen. Least not from me.

 

[Marisa]

You're is a contraction of 'you-are'. Where did I use that incorrectly?

In this post:

Obviously. There can be not agreement where there is no cogent dialog. Your grasping at straws in an attempt to use shaming tactics isn't relevant to anything I've said. Besides, your use of an obscure phrase,,, "wile pence", really makes no sense. You really are out in left field.

 

[ether-ore]

In this post:

In this case 'your' is possessive. 'Your grasping' means the grasping that you do... that you own. So pick your self up off the floor a read a grammar book.

 

[Marisa]

In this case 'your' is possessive. 'Your grasping' means the grasping that you do... that you own. So pick your self up off the floor a read a grammar book.

ROFLOLPIMP

"You are grasping at straws in an attempt . . . . "

 

[ether-ore]

ROFLOLPIMP

"You are grasping at straws in an attempt . . . . "

Omg. Has it really come to this? That people refuse to recognize a valid use of language? 'Your grasping' in this case means your activity, the activity being... grasping.

 

[Marisa]

Omg. Has it really come to this? That people refuse to recognize a valid use of language? 'Your grasping' in this case means your activity, the activity being... grasping.

Dude, we all make mistakes. Just own it, like I did. I could have played off my mistake with the bone you threw me as some sort of obscure reference you are obviously ignorant of, but in reality it's just a case of being nailed by auto correct. It ain't the first mistake I've made and it won't be the last.


Or, you could be the only perfect person who's ever existed.



Either one is totally legit.

 

[izzy4games12]

Welcome to the board Izzy. I am so sorry you have lived such a contentious path. IMO, God is nothing like the one you view. God loves me completely as a bisexual woman as that is how God made me. I've nothing to feel shame or think of as wrongdoing. I am as God made me. That is enough.

Ha I'm not saying he unleashed something on me, but that I surrounded myself with all this darkness to a point that God felt it was time to show me what I'm really messing with. Within two weeks after that I realized God is black and white and not so much in between. He lets us make decisions and helps us as we make those. But if a decision goes against what he's said, then he just can't bless us in that. When I came back to God, there was a whole list of behaviors that He wanted me to run from, and homosexuality was one of them but not the biggest one in my life. "God" might have a different meaning to each of us but his guidelines don't vary depending on the person. Its a type of truth that made me want to just close my eyes and follow what He says... So I did exactly that and it's taken me quite a way.

 

[Jumi]

Why do you think he demanded you to change? If he created you in the womb, wouldn't he be happy with what he made or is the god you believe in someone who makes mistakes that we have to correct and make better?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think you may have hold of the wrong end of the stick here. Some idea being old indicates that it is less likely to be reliable not more likely since the ancients were more ignorant and uncivilized than moderns. The bible, for example, shows that very clearly.

Not necessarily. The Nords techniques for navigation and their knowledge of the sea were excellent. The Mayan calendar is the most accurate one our species has devised. The idea evolution bas been around for a while. And many of our most basic and crucial systems of mathematics are ancient.
As for civilized, are we really any more civilized? We still have many of the same problems, but today we destroy the Earth with impunity and all in the name of profits, we still like to pretend we are above or separate from nature, and we've gotten a hell of a lot better at killing people. How can we possibly be more civilized than an "uncivilized" tribe when we take more than we give, have no consideration for consequences, make a national spectacle of tearing people down, and are so concerned about what is mine and bettering myself that we fail to take care of others? While the Neanderthals took care of each other, and shamans have healed the ill long before prostitution was a profession, today we argue whether or not health care is a right or not.

 

[JoStories]

Ha I'm not saying he unleashed something on me, but that I surrounded myself with all this darkness to a point that God felt it was time to show me what I'm really messing with. Within two weeks after that I realized God is black and white and not so much in between. He lets us make decisions and helps us as we make those. But if a decision goes against what he's said, then he just can't bless us in that. When I came back to God, there was a whole list of behaviors that He wanted me to run from, and homosexuality was one of them but not the biggest one in my life. "God" might have a different meaning to each of us but his guidelines don't vary depending on the person. Its a type of truth that made me want to just close my eyes and follow what He says... So I did exactly that and it's taken me quite a way.

i wish I could feel pity for you but I have heard this song and dance too many times. It sickens me to be honest that people still feel that God would create them in such a way and then loathe them for it. No matter what you say, God did not create to hop from one foot to the other trying to suppress who and what you really are. I can only hope that one day, you realize that.

 

[izzy4games12]

i wish I could feel pity for you but I have heard this song and dance too many times. It sickens me to be honest that people still feel that God would create them in such a way and then loathe them for it. No matter what you say, God did not create to hop from one foot to the other trying to suppress who and what you really are. I can only hope that one day, you realize that.

Go made us to walk a certain walk, and what makes that walk unique is our individual personalities and traits. The problem that arises with being human AND with God is that there are spiritual influences in this world that try to take us away from that walk with God. You can convince yourself that God made you bisexual, but God says in Romans 1:

25//They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. 26//Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27// In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28//Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29// They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30// slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31// they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32// Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

It's saying that those who follow their personal thoughts on the topic of sin over what God says about it, will not only be allowed by God to press on, but He will actually give them a mindset that approves this behavior since they chose to reject Gods thoughts on it.(28)

By you saying that God "made people this way" is to say that He made people to go against their natural functions. That goes against the bible completely.

What I've learned from giving up homosexuality is that to surrender everything to God, he means everything. And by that I mean our minds in which we allow ourselves to think our human bodies were made that way. Our hearts that confirm our "love" for whomever our same-sex partner or partners are. And our soul that is being poisoned by the product of what our minds and hearts have told eachother. I could go on and on but just look a little deeper into your heart and you'll find something's that, although might hurt and twist your guts, will also bring ease once you untie the knots. Trust me, the answers there, but you've really gotta take initiative to start searching for a more in depth spiritual truth over just a physical one.

 

[JoStories]

Go made us to walk a certain walk, and what makes that walk unique is our individual personalities and traits. The problem that arises with being human AND with God is that there are spiritual influences in this world that try to take us away from that walk with God. You can convince yourself that God made you bisexual, but God says in Romans 1:

25//They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. 26//Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27// In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28//Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29// They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30// slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31// they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32// Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

It's saying that those who follow their personal thoughts on the topic of sin over what God says about it, will not only be allowed by God to press on, but He will actually give them a mindset that approves this behavior since they chose to reject Gods thoughts on it.(28)

By you saying that God "made people this way" is to say that He made people to go against their natural functions. That goes against the bible completely.

What I've learned from giving up homosexuality is that to surrender everything to God, he means everything. And by that I mean our minds in which we allow ourselves to think our human bodies were made that way. Our hearts that confirm our "love" for whomever our same-sex partner or partners are. And our soul that is being poisoned by the product of what our minds and hearts have told eachother. I could go on and on but just look a little deeper into your heart and you'll find something's that, although might hurt and twist your guts, will also bring ease once you untie the knots. Trust me, the answers there, but you've really gotta take initiative to start searching for a more in depth spiritual truth over just a physical one.

Izzy, I will say this once with as much civility as I can muster. I am Buddhist. Your Bible does not mean anything to me outside of the fact that I study it in context of other sacred texts in the study of theology. Romans comes to you from Paul, making you a Paulian and not a Christian. If you will note, Christ never speaks of homosexuality EVER. Only paul does that. So please refrain from lecturing me on your Bible and its ludicrous tenets that have no meaning for me. If you wish to deny who you are, that is your business. Not mine. Good day to you.
Namaste.

 

[Looncall]

Not necessarily. The Nords techniques for navigation and their knowledge of the sea were excellent. The Mayan calendar is the most accurate one our species has devised. The idea evolution bas been around for a while. And many of our most basic and crucial systems of mathematics are ancient.
As for civilized, are we really any more civilized? We still have many of the same problems, but today we destroy the Earth with impunity and all in the name of profits, we still like to pretend we are above or separate from nature, and we've gotten a hell of a lot better at killing people. How can we possibly be more civilized than an "uncivilized" tribe when we take more than we give, have no consideration for consequences, make a national spectacle of tearing people down, and are so concerned about what is mine and bettering myself that we fail to take care of others? While the Neanderthals took care of each other, and shamans have healed the ill long before prostitution was a profession, today we argue whether or not health care is a right or not.

Who is "we" here? Where I live, health care is regarded as a right.

I think that the often-touted environmental virtues of the ancients are oversold. They just lacked the technologies needed to make big messes.

Aboriginal peoples are notoriously apt to be murderously xenophobic. Consider the interactions between Dene and Inuit in the Canadian north who murdered each other on sight.

Romantic notions of noble savages are apt to be misleading.

 

[ether-ore]

But don't you see that right here, you are deciding that only some people can have faith? There are tons of gay people who have religion. YOUR religion, whether you like that or not. Not all by any means but there are lots of gay pastors who are openly gay and admit it. The fact that you don't like it is really beside the point. You would consign all gays to only have the right to go to a justice of the peace. What if that justice was a Christian and refused them? What then? Do you really not see how biased your position is? Frankly, I don;t give a damn about your opinion as it has no influence on me but what I do care about is your kind of person deciding who a person can go to to get married. THAT is the same as sending me to the back of that goddamn bus.

Jo... I just now noticed that you had been talking to me... I hadn't noticed you back there in the back of the bus. I can understand your not giving a damn about my opinion. The degree of your not caring is evidenced by your rant. But to respond to a couple of things. There are no practicing gay people in my religion unless they are lying about it and hiding it. Once found out, if they choose not to repent, they would be excommunicated. You ask what if a justice of the peace were a Christian and refused to marry a gay couple? The gay couple should go and find someone that will... it's really very simple. You did mention that there are lots of gay pastors. Yes, I see how biased my position is from your perspective. Nevertheless, I still maintain (notwithstanding your claim that there are some homosexual Christians) that homosexuality is contrary to God's laws regardless of what you say. Since my opinion has no influence on you, you probably ought to calm down.