Gender Apartheid

[icehorse]

Around the world, hundreds of millions of women in Muslim majority regions live under a "gender apartheid". (The video below makes a series of factual claims about this situation.)

Some specifics about life for women in these regions:

- In many regions, women do not have the right to show their faces.
- In Iran women are subject to constant surveillance, beatings, sexual violence, and detention
- In Vancouver, a Muslim woman was beaten by her husband for taking her Hijab off inside her own home. She describes being forced to wear the Hijab as like living in a portable sensory deprivation chamber..
- In many of these regions there are laws requiring women to obey their husbands
- Women need a man's permission to move around town, work, study, access health care, and marry
- Honor killings still happen, when a woman commits the crime of being raped
- There are no laws against sexual harassment in the work place, no laws against domestic violence
- 20 countries have "marry your rapist" laws
- 30 countries practice female genital mutilation (FGM)
- 650 million women alive today were married as children

(For those of you tempted to respond with a knee-jerk "I don't like the speaker", remember, he's making a series of easily verifiable claims. Discipline yourselves to separate the message from the messenger.)

 

[Ignatius A]

Around the world, hundreds of millions of women in Muslim majority regions live under a "gender apartheid". (The video below makes a series of factual claims about this situation.)

Some specifics about life for women in these regions:

- In many regions, women do not have the right to show their faces.
- In Iran women are subject to constant surveillance, beatings, sexual violence, and detention
- In Vancouver, a Muslim woman was beaten by her husband for taking her Hijab off inside her own home. She describes being forced to wear the Hijab as like living in a portable sensory deprivation chamber..
- In many of these regions there are laws requiring women to obey their husbands
- Women need a man's permission to move around town, work, study, access health care, and marry
- Honor killings still happen, when a woman commits the crime of being raped
- There are no laws against sexual harassment in the work place, no laws against domestic violence
- 20 countries have "marry your rapist" laws
- 30 countries practice female genital mutilation (FGM)
- 650 million women alive today were married as children

(For those of you tempted to respond with a knee-jerk "I don't like the speaker", remember, he's making a series of easily verifiable claims. Discipline yourselves to separate the message from the messenger.)

Yet millions of American women and trans people come out in support of "Palestine". It's mind numbing how utterly illogical some people are.

 

[an anarchist]

Yet millions of American women and trans people come out in support of "Palestine". It's mind numbing how utterly illogical some people are.

People that "come out in support of 'Palestine'" are against the genocide going on in Gaza.

Are you saying that the Gazan massacres are justified because of the negative traits of Islam? That's the implication I am reading from your post, so please correct me.

Is it "illogical" to be against bombing of civilians?

 

[Ignatius A]

People that "come out in support of 'Palestine'" are against the genocide going on in Gaza.

Are you saying that the Gazan massacres are justified because of the negative traits of Islam? That's the implication I am reading from your post, so please correct me.

Is it "illogical" to be against bombing of civilians?

You realize don't you that Hamas, the ruling party of "Palestinians", seeks the total elimination of Israel from the face of the earth right? That will not compromise and never have.

 

[icehorse]

I'm hopeful that we can keep this thread separate from the Gaza issue.

 

[Quagmire]

I'm hopeful that we can keep this thread separate from the Gaza issue.

It's not a separate issue, Meher is directing this at the People protesting the situation in Gaza.

 

[icehorse]

It's not a separate issue, Meher is directing this at the People protesting the situation in Gaza.

More importantly, Maher is talking about the plights of hundreds of million women, that's what this thread is about.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

People that "come out in support of 'Palestine'" are against the genocide going on in Gaza.

There is no genocide going on in Gaza.

 

[Quagmire]

More importantly, Maher is talking about the plights of hundreds of million women, that's what this thread is about.

Then you probably should have chosen a different YouTube video to make your point.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yet millions of American women and trans people come out in support of "Palestine".

That's because American women pay taxes
that government uses to support Israel's
genocide of Palestinians. Genocide is
wrong, even if most of the victims are
only Muslims.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is no genocide going on in Gaza.

Genocide is a very hard thing to admit.
But mass murder & expelling a people
does fit the UN definition.

 

[icehorse]

Then you probably should have chosen a different YouTube video to make your point.

I pulled TEN claims from the video that have to do with the plight of women worldwide. I listed those claims in the OP.

If you watch the video, it's mostly focused on the plight of women worldwide.

Genocide is a very hard thing to admit.
But mass murder & expelling a people
does fit the UN definition.

Any thoughts on the worldwide gender apartheid against women?

 

[Revoltingest]

Any thoughts on the worldwide gender apartheid against women?

It's bad.

 

[Quagmire]

I pulled TEN claims from the video that have to do with the plight of women worldwide. I listed those claims in the OP.

If you watch the video, it's mostly focused on the plight of women worldwide.

And the whole thing is framed as a message to the people protesting the war in Gaza.

Maher isn't just saying, "Care about this" He's saying, "Care about this instead of that".

And if that's not what you're trying to say with this thread, then what is it exactly you'd like to debate?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not a separate issue, Meher is directing this at the People protesting the situation in Gaza.

Could this really be about demonizing Palestinians in particular?
That would suggest that the thread might really be about
defending Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

 

[Quagmire]

Could this really be about demonizing Palestinians in particular?
That would suggest that the thread might really be about
defending Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

I like Bill Maher and I usually agree with what he has to say, but I think he has some degree of tunnel vision when it comes to this issue and I think he's missing the mark here: overwhelmingly the people protesting the war in Gaza aren't there to support Hamas or Sharia law, they're there to express opposition to the ongoing slaughter of civilians.

I mean in any protest going on on any American college campus there are always going to be people participating who don't really know why they're there, or chanting slogans they don't entirely understand, or yelling and shaking their fists because their friends are or because their professors told them to.

But in theory anyway, these protests are supposed to be in support of the civilians being affected by this war, not their government's policies.

 

[icehorse]

And the whole thing is framed as a message to the people protesting the war in Gaza.

Maher isn't just saying, "Care about this" He's saying, "Care about this instead of that".

And if that's not what you're trying to say with this thread, then what is it exactly you'd like to debate?

INDEPENDENT of Gaza / Israel full stop.

There are many issues in the world today. Gender apartheid is one of the biggest issue in the wolrd, and it seems to me to get far, far, far less attention than it deserves.

I suspect the reason is because people are so terrified of being politically incorrect that they are afraid to place the obvious blame front and center. Islam is horribly, horribly misogynistic. Politicians mostly won't say this. The MSM mostly won't say this.

 

[Quagmire]

INDEPENDENT of Gaza / Israel full stop.

There are many issues in the world today. Gender apartheid is one of the biggest issue in the wolrd, and it seems to me to get far, far, far less attention than it deserves.

I suspect the reason is because people are so terrified of being politically incorrect that they are afraid to place the obvious blame front and center. Islam is horribly, horribly misogynistic. Politicians mostly won't say this. The MSM mostly won't say this.

You're not answering my question.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yet millions of American women and trans people come out in support of "Palestine". It's mind numbing how utterly illogical some people are.

So if a culture is largely homophobic or transphobic, that justifies killing their children?

 

[Father Heathen]

Around the world, hundreds of millions of women in Muslim majority regions live under a "gender apartheid". (The video below makes a series of factual claims about this situation.)

Some specifics about life for women in these regions:

- In many regions, women do not have the right to show their faces.
- In Iran women are subject to constant surveillance, beatings, sexual violence, and detention
- In Vancouver, a Muslim woman was beaten by her husband for taking her Hijab off inside her own home. She describes being forced to wear the Hijab as like living in a portable sensory deprivation chamber..
- In many of these regions there are laws requiring women to obey their husbands
- Women need a man's permission to move around town, work, study, access health care, and marry
- Honor killings still happen, when a woman commits the crime of being raped
- There are no laws against sexual harassment in the work place, no laws against domestic violence
- 20 countries have "marry your rapist" laws
- 30 countries practice female genital mutilation (FGM)
- 650 million women alive today were married as children

(For those of you tempted to respond with a knee-jerk "I don't like the speaker", remember, he's making a series of easily verifiable claims. Discipline yourselves to separate the message from the messenger.)

So who exactly do you believe is trying to excuse or justify such fundamentalism and misogyny?