mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
As you up thread claimed logic, please apply sound to your deduction.
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As you up thread claimed logic, please apply sound to your deduction.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Go ahead and point out where I'm doing it.
I'll wait.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you know what logic is as otherwise you wouldn't know what is not your logic.
Hence you can do sound, because you know what logic is.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Boy, that sure doesn't look like an answer to my question regarding whether committing war crimes is a solution.
Why can't you answer a simple question?
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I can answer a simple question. But you haven't asked a simple question, you've asked a loaded one.
If indeed war crimes are being committed, the UN is responsible for those crimes, not Israel.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
How is that? And what international laws are you basing that on?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
And yet you continually fail to do so. Curious.
Nope, it's a simple question. Do you believe committing war crimes is a good solution to the problem?
They are.
Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
Attacks on schools during the Israeli invasion of Gaza - Wikipedia
Attacks on health facilities during the Israel–Hamas war - Wikipedia
Tel al-Sultan attack - Wikipedia
Gaza Strip mass graves - Wikipedia
Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip (2023–present) - Wikipedia
Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present) - Wikipedia
Structural abuse - Wikipedia
Gaza Strip famine - Wikipedia
Killing of health workers in the Israel–Hamas war - Wikipedia
Killing of journalists in the Israel–Hamas war - Wikipedia
Gaza Strip evacuations - Wikipedia
Killing of Alon Shamriz, Yotam Haim, and Samer Talalka - Wikipedia
Human shields in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia
How incredibly convenient.
Was it the UN who blockaded Gaza? Raped women and children? Used civilians as human shields? Murdered journalists? Shot civilians and buried them in mass graves?
Did the UN do those things?
First off, I think the UN is hopelessly corrupt, and I do not respect any authority they claim to have. That's an important premise of my conclusion as to their culpability. If you don't accept that premise, we have to sort that out first. So, do you agree that the UN is hopelessly corrupt?
Again, assuming those crimes have been committed, the UN created the situation so that such things were unavoidable.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, let us play with the facts. I won't admit to this, but let us say the UN has a part in it. From there how does it follow that Israel has none?
Notice, I am using the technique of let us assume this premise:
P1: The UN has a part in it.
C: Therefore Israel has none.
That can be fleshed out, but you still have to give evidence as to how you arrive at the conclusion?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I see. And do you also apply this logic to October 7th? Was Hamas' rampant rape and murder of over 1,000 civilians "unavoidable" because of the history of the region?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So Israel had to commit war crimes. What is your evidence for that?
Ok @mikkel_the_dane and @ImmortalFlame - next assumption:
Israel has a right to exist. Do you agree?
Israel has a right to exist. Do you agree?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So has Palestine.
But nothing as such follows from that in the strong sense.
P1: Israel has a right to exist.
C: Therefore ...
Just make the full argument and will we check for valid and sound, since you use logic.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Firstly, is there a reason you're asking questions before answering ours?
Secondly, yes. Though it's a meaningless question, because there is no such thing as a "right" for a state to exist. States either do exist or they don't exist, and in as much as we can say Israel has a right to exist I can say Palestine has a right to exist, or the Roman Empire has a right to exist, or Nazi Germany has a right to exist. What I care about are the lives and well-being of the people within those states, and what those states - or other actors - do to affect them.
This is not about the "right to exist" and any such "right", even if it existed, has nothing to do with the right of a state to commit war crimes or atrocities.
Sorry, not going to follow your rules. I'll walk thru this a step at a time or not at all - your choice.
@ImmortalFlame
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
So why should anyone follow yours?
For instance, when are you going to get around to explaining why Israeli war crimes can be blamed on the UN, or were "unavoidable"? Are you going to explain whether or not the October 7th pogrom was "unavoidable" for the same reasons?
Debate honestly or stop debating.
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How about let's agree that you're not the judge here? I believe I'm debating much more honestly than you are, but I'm willing to walk thru my logic and evidence with you anyway.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Let's not. Let's instead agree I am.
Then please present any dishonest argument or evasions I have engaged in.
But you're not willing to explain your position, answer basic questions, rise to specific challenges, or read sources when they are provided to you.
I'm not letting you lead this walk, because it will inevitably end up in a dark alley or into a brick wall. You can respond in kind and stop trying to lead the discussion away from challenges you can't rise to.
Now, explain why Israel's war crimes in Gaza are both "unavoidable" and the fault of "the UN", and explain how this logic apparently doesn't apply to the October 7th pogrom.
Hey @ImmortalFlame - I believe your questions are loaded.
I'm done debating this with you, have a fine day.
I'm done debating this with you, have a fine day.