Gender role reversal

[3.14]

you either have realy active children or your working pressure must be realy low if you think that stay at home dad is harder,
these days all you need is a pc or a tv and you won't hear anything from your child for hours
and don't tell me housework is that freaking hard, i was able to run the household since i turned 14 (my parants used to go on pleasure trips abroad)

Your ideas about doctors and nurses are old fashioned and out of touch with the real world.
and you base this on? , do you actualy know what the diffrence is between a docter and a nurse?

 

[Draka]

Well, we know 3.14's idea of parenting. Sit your children in front of the tv for hours so you can ignore them. Nice. Probably a good thing he's not responsible for children now.

 

[3.14]

I just noticed you answered in a frubal (why you do that I don't know) a. I can't figure out why you somehow think a man's potential is worth more than a woman's

i do that because its my policy to limit information about me "floating" around the web, and because you asked and it was no relevance to the discussion at hand

never said it was worth more, men are just more competative about it


ps

womans doing men work is no issue men doing "womans" work is
same as a woman can wear jeans but a men can't wear a dress in public

 

[3.14]

Well, we know 3.14's idea of parenting. Sit your children in front of the tv for hours so you can ignore them. Nice. Probably a good thing he's not responsible for children now.

its not my idea of parenting but you have to admit with the rise of tv and videogames it is easyer to keep your children quiet

like for instance a car ride, before dvdplayers keeping order on the backseat for long car trips was nightmarisch, these days you pop in a dvd and your children will be calm the whole way


btw nice distraction/ personal attack but i expected more from you

 

[Draka]

I just noticed you answered in a frubal (why you do that I don't know) a. I can't figure out why you somehow think a man's potential is worth more than a woman's

i do that because its my policy to limit information about me "floating" around the web, and because you asked and it was no relevance to the discussion at hand

never said it was worth more, men are just more competative about it


ps

womans doing men work is no issue men doing womans work is
same as a woman can wear jeans but a men can't wear a dress in public

The point IS, 3.14, that there really is no such thing as "women's work" and "men's work" and the fact that we keep eluding to certain types of jobs that way is only perpetuates the myth that there is.

I really don't see the difference between me being an avionics tech and Jeff, my family doctor's office nurse, being a nurse. They are both equally valid and needed jobs.

Perhaps, it's not about "men being competitive" (because that certainly makes no sense from a financial point as nurses make far more than, say, factory work and several other high tech jobs) maybe it's about some men being male chauvanistic pigs who somehow think that any jobs that may normally be staffed by more than 50% women are somehow lower than them. It's not about "men's work" and "women's work" it's about sexism and brutish indifference to inequality.

 

[Draka]

its not my idea of parenting but you have to admit with the rise of tv and videogames it is easyer to keep your children quiet

like for instance a car ride, before dvdplayers keeping order on the backseat for long car trips was nightmarisch, these days you pop in a dvd and your children will be calm the whole way


btw nice distraction/ personal attack but i expected more from you

One wouldn't have to even worry about "keeping your kids quiet" if one didn't look at them as something to be kept quiet and actually interacted with them. That's where talking and reading and educating come in.

 

[3.14]

have you actualy ever had children in the backseat of your car?
talking reading education are all fine things but they don't change the nature of children, and thus do not solve the "problem"

YouTube - Family Guy - Lois Mom Mum Mommy (imaging something like this on the backseat with "are we there yet")

 

[3.14]

I really don't see the difference between me being an avionics tech and Jeff, my family doctor's office nurse, being a nurse. They are both equally valid and needed jobs.

men being male chauvanistic pigs who somehow think that any jobs that may normally be staffed by more than 50% women are somehow lower than them. It's not about "men's work" and "women's work" it's about sexism and brutish indifference to inequality.

why did you become avionics tech?

why do i get the feeling the last part happend to you?

ps
there is more then 1 way to be competative
and equality can only be had one's you admit that men and woman are not equal (no i'm not saying 1 is beter then the other)

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

you either have realy active children or your working pressure must be realy low if you think that stay at home dad is harder,
these days all you need is a pc or a tv and you won't hear anything from your child for hours
and don't tell me housework is that freaking hard, i was able to run the household since i turned 14 (my parants used to go on pleasure trips abroad)

If you don't understand, then there is nothing I can do to explain it. One day you will understand, or wonder why you're children turned out the way they did, probably blaming society for it.

 

[Draka]

have you actualy ever had children in the backseat of your car?
talking reading education are all fine things but they don't change the nature of children, and thus do not solve the "problem"

YouTube - Family Guy - Lois Mom Mum Mommy (imaging something like this on the backseat with "are we there yet")

I've had four children, what do you think? :sarcastic

why did you become avionics tech?

why do i get the feeling the last part happend to you?

ps
there is more then 1 way to be competative
and equality can only be had one's you admit that men and woman are not equal (no i'm not saying 1 is beter then the other)

Honestly? Why did I become an AT? It really wasn't my first choice. My first choice the rate was closed so MEPS took my ASVAB scores and figured out what I scored absolutely highest in and fitted me that way. Which worked I guess, as I not only had the second highest percentage score in my entire A-school class, but also consistently outscored and outknowledged my fellow ATs in my shops I worked in. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved what I did, but I knew nothing about said job when I was placed in it, so I didn't choose it for any reason other than ASVAB scores said I would do well in it. Though I fail to see what that has to do with anything. I also was an EO (equipment operator) in the Seabees (Navy construction) for a while, wanna pick that apart too?

As for the "last part" thing, actually, I was referring to your attitude and the fact that you aren't the only "macho man" to have it...unfortunately.

 

[3.14]

so you actualy more or less stumbled on it and found you had potential in the line of field and decided to use it

what age are your kids now then?

 

[3.14]

If you don't understand, then there is nothing I can do to explain it. One day you will understand, or wonder why you're children turned out the way they did, probably blaming society for it.

o i know how to take care of a kid i just don't share your oppinion that its that tough especialy with all the tools available today,

ps
who says i actualy want children, i don't mind putting my genetic liniage in a sperm bank

 

[Draka]

so you actualy more or less stumbled on it and found you had potential in the line of field and decided to use it

what age are your kids now then?

o i know how to take care of a kid i just don't share your oppinion that its that tough especialy with all the tools available today,

ps
who says i actualy want children, i don't mind putting my genetic liniage in a sperm bank

I absolutely love that you don't have children yet are so willing to tell everyone else how easy it is. Oh, and 13,8,3(next month), and 9 months. Now what does that have to do with anything?

And I knew beforehand that I had potential in the line of work, I just didn't know about the particular job. I wanted to get into the healthcare field but hospital corpsman was a closed rate at the time (meaning it was too full because no one was getting out - btw, the vast majority of that rate are MEN and it is equivolant to being a nurse). I had ubers and goobers of electronic knowledge but just wasn't the field I was wanting to get into. I still fail to see what this has to do with the fact that you somehow think being a nurse or a SAHD is "below" men and not "up to their potential".

 

[Draka]

3.14 I'm wondering, do you think less of a man whose life ambition is to be a nurse? What about men who want nothing more in their lives than to be a father and could care less what kind of job they have? Do you laugh at male secretaries? There are men in the workforce in jobs normally held by women that WANT to work in those jobs. Love those jobs. Would work their whole lives in those jobs if given the opportunity. Do you think less of them?

 

[3.14]

no not if its there potetial is there, but if there overqaulified for it i find it a waste of potential, i could work at the burgerking till i'm 40 but my potential was in another line of work,
and there are 2 things i find less someone who doesn't life his life to his maximum potential because hes lazy and someone who purposefully doesn't use his potential.

ps
if someone is a brilliant surgeon and just become's a stay at home dad wouldn't you find that a waste?

 

[JMorris]

no not if its there potetial is there, but if there overqaulified for it i find it a waste of potential, i could work at the burgerking till i'm 40 but my potential was in another line of work,
and there are 2 things i find less someone who doesn't life his life to his maximum potential because hes lazy and someone who purposefully doesn't use his potential.

ps
if someone is a brilliant surgeon and just become's a stay at home dad wouldn't you find that a waste?

not if thats what they want to do. if a person's doing what they want in life (assuming its legal) then i see no waste in that

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

no not if its there potetial is there, but if there overqaulified for it i find it a waste of potential,

But the question is: "Do you think a man naturally has more potential than is necessary for being a nurse and is therefore more often over qualified for the position while women fit the role almost all the time?"

 

[3.14]

no they just genaraly have more unused potential in other fields if they chose that, but there are always exeptions

 

[Draka]

no not if its there potetial is there, but if there overqaulified for it i find it a waste of potential, i could work at the burgerking till i'm 40 but my potential was in another line of work,
and there are 2 things i find less someone who doesn't life his life to his maximum potential because hes lazy and someone who purposefully doesn't use his potential.

So what if they are "overqualified"? A person may have all the education to be a brilliant brain surgeon but prefers to be your run-of-the-mill family practitioner. Nothing wrong with that.

I happen to be highly educated when it comes to electronics, radar, aviation communication systems, navigation systems, sonar systems, AND have gone to college and have a degree in administration and accounting. I've also been in various management positions throughout many different jobs I've had. You know what? I am a SAHM and LOVE what I do. Could I have practically any other job I'd want? Sure could. What do I WANT to do? Stay at home, raise my kids, teach my kids, take care of my house, children, and boyfriend, cook and clean for them. I'm happy and content as could be doing that. I'm sure you see that as a "waste of potential" but if that is what makes me happy then who the hell are you to even criticize that?

ps
if someone is a brilliant surgeon and just become's a stay at home dad wouldn't you find that a waste?

Not if that is ultimately what he finds he wants to do with his life at the moment, no. It's called prioritizing. If he finds his first priority, where he WANTS to be and make a difference, is in his home with his children then that is where he should be.


Honestly 3.14, the more you talk the more you seem to want to prove yourself to be a chauvanistic pig. Because that's exactly how you are presenting yourself to be in post upon post.

 

[3.14]

do you even know what chauvanistic means? or do you just not read my posts?

ps
this is the second time you made a personal attack, because my ideology doen't suit yours.

and since we just disagree on this point i see no reason to continue posting in this thread