Genesis 1:1 from the "J" Hebrew Manuscript

[Dingbat]

Lol getting into some serious semantics here, I'll just leave this discussion to another thread, where it belongs anyway.

It isn't an issue of semantics it seems quite clear what is being said. Unless you believe Jesus wrote the Gospels or something.

 

[Desert Snake]

It isn't an issue of semantics it seems quite clear what is being said. Unless you believe Jesus wrote the Gospels or something.

The issue here was whether the NT was false because it was written by people who according to some of the posters didn't know Jesus.

 

[Walkntune]

Jesus was a Jew himself. He established the new testament based on the Hebrew OT/Torah, why would He want blatant mistranslations of the OT? Why not, as some do, just abandon the OT altogether then? When someone translates a pre-existing book, the goal is to be as accurate as possible, one of the reasons why I stay away from translations that say, create new rhymes in the English language from text that rhymed in the original work. I would rather read a non-rhyming translation that is more accurate.

The message of Christ were that of grace and the new covenat. It was the new wine. The OT was the old wine skin. You cannot mix law and grace.

 

[Desert Snake]

The message of Christ were that of grace and the new covenat. It was the new wine. The OT was the old wine skin. You cannot mix law and grace.

What are you saying, that you only read the NT? The OP was referencing what was possibly a bad translation of the OT...beyond that I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

 

[Walkntune]

What are you saying, that you only read the NT? The OP was referencing what was possibly a bad translation of the OT...beyond that I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

Good question. Who brought up the NT anyway? Sorry didnt even realise was in dir. and was just following posts.

 

[Desert Snake]

Good question. Who brought up the NT anyway? Sorry didnt even realise was in dir. and was just following posts.

Considering that the commandments and people referenced by Jesus and others are in the OT, I think the translation is important, even if Christians are part of the new covenant.

 

[Dingbat]

The issue here was whether the NT was false because it was written by people who according to some of the posters didn't know Jesus.

How would they know Jesus almost 100 years after his supposed death?:sarcastic

 

[Desert Snake]

How would they know Jesus almost 100 years after his supposed death?:sarcastic

Knew what He taught. Orally, basically.

 

[Dingbat]

Knew what He taught. Orally, basically.

Then why were you saying the writers knew Jesus? You are very confusing.

 

[Desert Snake]

Likewise, I'm not sure what you don't comprehend about that if the early Christians didn't know Jesus's teachings, then the NT is necessarily wrong.

It's here earlier in the thread. You pretty much have to believe that the teachings rendered in the NT are accurate.

 

[dan b]

Jesus was a Jew himself. He established the new testament based on the Hebrew OT/Torah, why would He want blatant mistranslations of the OT? Why not, as some do, just abandon the OT altogether then? When someone translates a pre-existing book, the goal is to be as accurate as possible, one of the reasons why I stay away from translations that say, create new rhymes in the English language from text that rhymed in the original work. I would rather read a non-rhyming translation that is more accurate.

Was he. Quite often thats not what he says.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In the beginning YAHWEH created the heavens and the earth.

What is rather cute about "Genesis 1:1 from the 'J' Hebrew Manuscript" (other than the pathetic translation) is that Genesis 1:1 it is not attributed to "J".

 

[BUTSeriously]

I'm not sure of your angle, but the Hebrew says clearly "Bere**** bara Elohim et hashamayim v'ha'aretz."

In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

The name you are using might be preferred by you, but isn't the one in the text.

What's your definition of 'heavens' in this verse? Is this the physical unverse except earth, or a spiritual realm? Also, was the sun created at this point of the verse?

Thanks.