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Holy crap, if you're looking for an intense debate in this thread, it's not going to happen, as i said, i'm interested in what Christians believe to be the overall message of these passages, not a debate on translation.FFH said:BTW, I have a copy of the Masoretic text in English, so if the point of this thread is to compare the KJV of Genesis 1-11, with the Masoretic text, then pick a verse, and lets start comparing.
Did Adam Tilthe?Aqualung said:Tithing, baptism, love of god, stuff like that.
You mean till or tithe?Deut 13:1 said:Did Adam Tilthe?
tithe. I dunno how that l got in.Jayhawker Soule said:You mean till or tithe?
I believe the Christian perspective should be to believe Gods word .Deut 13:1 said:What is the Christian perspective on these chapters?
Good point, I agree.NetDoc said:As soon as I claim to completely understand God, I would indeed be a hypocrite! Christianity is a journey: not a static place to be. Every day the Christian should be understanding God just a bit better than the day before, as they submit to the Spirit. This is why there is such a huge variation in what Christians believe.
Well, Adam certainly gave sacrifice of his stuff to the Lord. I don't know when it was set at 10%, but certainly by the days of Abraham. So I guess it's that "number" thing you got so mad at me before.Deut 13:1 said:Did Adam Tilthe?
Such as...?Aqualung said:Well, Adam certainly gave sacrifice of his stuff to the Lord.
Where does Avraham come into Genesis 1-11. :help:Aqualung said:I don't know when it was set at 10%, but certainly by the days of Abraham.
I don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it.Aqualung said:So I guess it's that "number" thing you got so mad at me before.
yes but i did explain why as a Christian i believe the gospel is very relavant to Genesis therefore should influence a Christians perspective of it - and that is the point is it not, a Christians perspective of Genesis? If a Christian regards the Gospel as very important and Genesis is explicitly related to that gospel then how is outlining that relationship between the two not useful?Deut 13:1 said:Steve: Thanks for the answer, your first sentance was useful, then I felt you left Genesis 1-11 for the gospel.
You'd have to look into Moses (The Joseph Smith Tranlsation of the first bit of Genesis) for that one. Do you still want me to post it?Deut 13:1 said:Such as...?
He doesn't. All I'm saying is that at least by the time of Abraham people were tithing, if not before that.duet said:Where does Avraham come into Genesis 1-11. :help:
:jiggy: Im hebrew...... In the beginning of genisis, God supposevly said "let there be light", but that wouldnt be right because it sounds like he is talking to someone, so he said "Be light"!Aqualung said:You'd have to look into Moses (The Joseph Smith Tranlsation of the first bit of Genesis) for that one. Do you still want me to post it?
He doesn't. All I'm saying is that at least by the time of Abraham people were tithing, if not before that.
Sure, just be pre-warned I don't give much credit to something that popped up over the last 200 years by someone who my personal opinion of will never be posted.Aqualung said:You'd have to look into Moses (The Joseph Smith Tranlsation of the first bit of Genesis) for that one. Do you still want me to post it?
Apologies.Aqualung said:He doesn't. All I'm saying is that at least by the time of Abraham people were tithing, if not before that.
Yes, I know, that's why I didn't want to bother posting them if you weren't at least mildly interested.Deut 13:1 said:Sure, just be pre-warned I don't give much credit to something that popped up over the last 200 years by someone who my personal opinion of will never be posted.
Excellent post, Aqualung !!! This is exactly what needed to be posted, from the lost parts of Genesis. The KJV has omitted this very important scripture, from the original, unadulterated, Hebrew text. Adam knew about repentance, and the sacrifice that would be made, by Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of sins.Aqualung said:Yes, I know, that's why I didn't want to bother posting them if you weren't at least mildly interested.
Moses 5:5-8 "And he gave unto them commandments, that they should worship the lord their God, and should offer the firstlings of their flock, for an offering unto the Lord. And Adam was obedient unto the commandments of the Lord. 6 And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me. 7 And then the angel spake, saying: This thing is a similtude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father, which is full of grace and truth. 8 Wherefore, thou shalt do all that thou doest in the name of the Son, and thou shalt repent and call upon God in the name of the Son forevermore."