Genesis 1:26 and the Trinity

[101G]

1. Abraham was not Jewish, and 2. he is the father of Faith to all who believe in God.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[sojourner]

first thanks for the reply, second, but you ERROR. A. in the NRSV is a much better translation than the KJ.,

You’re in no position to make that determination, as the abominable “critique” you give us in your post illuminates.

and B. it was the Lord Jesus at Creation creating all things... ALONE, and By himself. .

But Not. In. Genesis. You completely skipped over that part of my post. Read Genesis. “Jesus” appears not one single time in Genesis. (Note: from an exegetical standpoint, the Greek texts, by definition, cannot inform Genesis.)

Lets put your NRSV to the test and see if it's context are correct.

Sorry; that’s already been done by peer-reviewed biblical scholars and translators. the “context” is correct; the translations are correct. They are more thorough than the KJ because they take advantage of earlier texts than that KJ does.

in Revelation 1:1. some one sent his angel correct..... and the angel in Revelation 22:6 tells us who sent him, and the angel said according to the NRSV, the Lord God of the spirit of the prophets sent him. correct. well now, is this not the one whom you call the Father? ..... remember Revelation 1:1 "God" gave the revelation to "HIM", Jesus the christ, ... (smile), so that narrow it down. but your same NRSV states in Revelation 22:16 that it is Jesus, the Lord who sent his angel. and the angle said the one who sent him was the God of the spirits of the prophets. and that was the Lord Jesus, because in your NRSV at Revelation 22:16 again, it states, "JESUS the Lord who sent the angel". BINGO, your NRSV caught in a lie.

You’re reading vs. 1 incorrectly; it results in an incorrect conclusion. In Revelation 1, Jesus sends the angel. It’s your reading that produces a false claim. “BINGO!” (Nonetheless, as I stated above, Revelation cannot inform Genesis, so it really isn’t cogent here.)

Once again: Jesus patently Does. Not. Appear in the creation myths in Genesis" well your NRSV disagree with you, or even itself. bad exegesis process, (smile), on both of your part. see how one needs the Holy Spirit. your NRSV lead you in the ditch.

All you have to do is read genesis. “Jesus” ain’t in there. Show me one single passage in Genesis (You may use the KJ, if you wish) that mentions “Jesus.” Just one. I’ll wait. (See how a perceived message from the “HS” leads one into an exegetical ditch?)

but your same NRSV said at John 1:3 "all things was created ..

That’s what John says; it’s not what Genesis says. John doesn’t inform Genesis. What John does is provide an interpretation of creation from a different contextual perspective.

see how your NRSV lie. and it suppose to be a BETTER translation than the KJV? nope, notta, zelch.

The preponderance of biblical authorities disagrees with your “evaluation.”

 

[sojourner]

Christians have always believed Jesus is God!

sorry; I just don’t see what this has to do with “Jesus” not appearing in Genesis. Genesis isn’t a Christian document. I don’t disagree that Christians have always believed that Jesus is divine, but the Trinity patently doesn’t appear in Genesis; it’s a horrid basis for arguing the Trinity, because it’s exegetically untenable. I’m all for arguing the validity of the Trinity, but let’s use a biblical basis that’s real, please.

 

[101G]

You’re in no position to make that determination, as the abominable “critique” you give us in your post illuminates.

is that's your opinion? thought so.

But Not. In. Genesis. You completely skipped over that part of my post. Read Genesis. “Jesus” appears not one single time in Genesis. (Note: from an exegetical standpoint, the Greek texts, by definition, cannot inform Genesis.)

this is exactly what I'm talking about, you have no clue "Who" the Ordinal First nor Last is, instead of reading Genesis read Isaiah 41:4 , and Isaiah 48:12. this is just what I'm speaking of... oh my.

Sorry; that’s already been done by peer-reviewed biblical scholars and translators. the “context” is correct; the translations are correct. They are more thorough than the KJ because they take advantage of earlier texts than that KJ does.

so we can take that as a IGNORANT ... "FEARFUL" denial of the Truth opinion? .... thought so.

You’re reading vs. 1 incorrectly; it results in an incorrect conclusion. In Revelation 1, Jesus sends the angel. It’s your reading that produces a false claim. “BINGO!” (Nonetheless, as I stated above, Revelation cannot inform Genesis, so it really isn’t cogent here.)

again your opinion, I used your translation.... (smile).

All you have to do is read genesis. “Jesus” ain’t in there. Show me one single passage in Genesis (You may use the KJ, if you wish) that mentions “Jesus.” Just one. I’ll wait. (See how a perceived message from the “HS” leads one into an exegetical ditch?)

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." is not Jesus God? and it clearly IDENTIFY him, as the Ordinal First, "LORD" is the Key. Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," now lets get educate the LORD is JESUS without flesh, bone and blood. the ordinal FIRST, and Jesus is "Lord", with flesh bone and Blood, lets make it clear, your LLR for today. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
here "Lord" is
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.

now this same "Lord" is in verse or number 5. Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath." and here Lord is,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113
IT"S the same person, LORD, and Lord. read those definitions again..... (smile). you had no clue that the LORD and the Lord is the same one person ... did you? and I'm using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.
now read those definitions again...... see this is what the HOLY SPIRIT will do for you as teacher.

That’s what John says; it’s not what Genesis says. John doesn’t inform Genesis. What John does is provide an interpretation of creation from a different contextual perspective.

ERROR, what did John 1:1 say ... "IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD"... hello, and the Word was "WITH" God, (see Isaiah 48:12 again on "WITH", and John 1:1c states, "and the Word was God". so Jesus is all over Genesis as the Ordinal First. see, this is where you fail at.... no Holy ghost as teacher.

The preponderance of biblical authorities disagrees with your “evaluation.”

your opinion again? look you cannot "draw" an opinion out of a well that has no WATER..... (smile)... don't get upset because your bible translation was caught, and exposed to be a lie on the Word of God.... get over it. and do the right thing..... throw it in the trash. just because I found several errors, and LIES, don't worry there are many more. so throw it in the ditch before it throw you in the ditch.

again, don't get upset with 101G, you and the other really don't know what's happening to you-all do you? well Psalms 110:1 is in effect. we one see rats jump ship... you know it's sinking.
PICJAG, 101G.

PS if you need enlightenment, go to the Lord JESUS, the Holy Spirit, and he will teach you.

 

[sojourner]

is that's your opinion? thought so.

It’s considered opinion based upon the very telling atrocity of your spelling and grammar — and on the flimsiness of your <Ahem> exegetical presentation. You’re no Bible scholar.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, you have no clue "Who" the Ordinal First nor Last is, instead of reading Genesis read Isaiah 41:4 , and Isaiah 48:12. this is just what I'm speaking of... oh my.

I don’t CARE “who the ‘ordinal first’ is” according to texts other than Genesis. Neither Isaiah, nor John are Genesis. Neither of them informs a proper exegesis of Genesis. I care what Genesis has to say about Jesus. You have yet to show me where “Jesus” is mentioned in Genesis.

so we can take that as a IGNORANT ... "FEARFUL" denial of the Truth opinion? .... thought so.

No, we can take that as the conclusions of the community of peer-reviewed Bible scholars.

again your opinion, I used your translation.... (smile).

You read it incorrectly. (Grin)

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." is not Jesus God?

Not according to Genesis. Jesus doesn’t exist in Genesis.

Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

Now you’re conflating Gen 1 with Gen 2. They come from completely different sources. But you wouldn’t know that, because you’re using fantasy instead of scholarship. Sucks for your argument.

now lets get educate the LORD is JESUS without flesh, bone and blood.

Not according to Genesis.

Jesus is all over Genesis

Where? Show me just one passage that contains the name “Jesus” (or the corresponding character in either of the creation myths. Just one. I’ve asked several times and you have yet to produce. Can I take that as simply your unfounded fantasy? Thought so! (Smile)

your opinion again? look you cannot "draw" an opinion out of a well that has no WATER..... (smile)... don't get upset because your bible translation was caught, and exposed to be a lie on the Word of God.... get over it. and do the right thing..... throw it in the trash. just because I found several errors, and LIES, don't worry there are many more. so throw it in the ditch before it throw you in the ditch.

The only entity whose integrity is in doubt here is the corpus of your posts with regard to Biblical translations.

if you need enlightenment, go to the Lord JESUS, the Holy Spirit, and he will teach you

Enlightenment and exegesis are two different animals. Since we’re dealing with an exegetical issue, I’d just as soon be done with your spiritual gaslighting.

 

[Dogknox20]

first thanks for the reply, second, but you ERROR. A. in the NRSV is a much better translation than the KJ., and B. it was the Lord Jesus at Creation creating all things... ALONE, and By himself. .

Lets put your NRSV to the test and see if it's context are correct.
in Revelation 1:1. some one sent his angel correct..... and the angel in Revelation 22:6 tells us who sent him, and the angel said according to the NRSV, the Lord God of the spirit of the prophets sent him. correct. well now, is this not the one whom you call the Father? ..... remember Revelation 1:1 "God" gave the revelation to "HIM", Jesus the christ, ... (smile), so that narrow it down. but your same NRSV states in Revelation 22:16 that it is Jesus, the Lord who sent his angel. and the angle said the one who sent him was the God of the spirits of the prophets. and that was the Lord Jesus, because in your NRSV at Revelation 22:16 again, it states, "JESUS the Lord who sent the angel". BINGO, your NRSV caught in a lie. because Hebrews 1:1 states God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets. yes, the same Lord God of the spirit of the prophets who created "ALL THINGS", according to your NRSV. and also according your NRSV at John 1:3 all things was created ... "THROUGH" him the Word the Lord Jesus who sent his angel to John who is the God of the spirits of the prophets. well that just threw, your statement, "Once again: Jesus patently Does. Not. Appear in the creation myths in Genesis" well your NRSV disagree with you, or even itself. bad exegesis process, (smile), on both of your part. see how one needs the Holy Spirit. your NRSV lead you in the ditch. you said quoting your NRSV, "Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female". but your same NRSV said at John 1:3 "all things was created ... "THROUGH" him the Word the Lord Jesus". read those verse again.... see how your NRSV LIE to you? yes, one made all things, and "HE" did not go anyone because your same NRSV said at Isaiah 44:24 that the one who made all things was "ALONE" and "By Himself". so how did he go through someone, (John 1:3), when he was alone? another LIE of your NRSV.
and on top of that "ALONE" means, "having no one else present". do you know what that means? any other person(s) in the Godhead is NOT ETERNAL. for one of the attributes of God is "omnipresent" and if he, the ONE who made all things was "ALONE" then where are the so-called other two at?
see how your NRSV lie. and it suppose to be a BETTER translation than the KJV? nope, notta, zelch.

so as you said, check the context, and here of the above scriptures from your NRSV and see if they are in context. understand, this is how I evaluate translations. if you say something over here, then it must be the same over there. else it's a lie.

PICJAG, 101G.

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101G You are running down a ribbit trail..
God is ONE in three persons!
In the beginning was the WORD... God' WORD! Through The WORD all things were made "The WORD was GOD!"

The WORD became flesh!
Until the word became flesh it was "the Word AFTER the word became flesh "The Word became SON.... God' son!
101G After the "Word Became Flesh" God became FATER! NO ONE ......

101G no one gains the TITLE "Father" until a woman gives birth!
Until Mary "Gave Birth" God was God, Word & Spirit!
After Mary the Virgin gave Birth it became>>>>>> "Father & Son and Holy Spirit"!

God is LOVE! No one can Love themselves; to Love you MUST have at least TWO-Two-Two (2) persons not just one! Self love is selfishness! God is PERFECT to have PERFECT Love you must have at the very least two (2) persons! Thus the Trinity! God Word & Spirit make One PERFECT God!
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
&
1 John 4:16
And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

Again ... After Mary the Virgin gave Birth it became>>>>>> "Father & Son and Holy Spirit"!
Matthew 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

101G Question.. What does the word Immanuel mean?

 

[101G]

I don’t CARE “who the ‘ordinal first’ is” according to texts other than Genesis. Neither Isaiah, nor John are Genesis. Neither of them informs a proper exegesis of Genesis. I care what Genesis has to say about Jesus. You have yet to show me where “Jesus” is mentioned in Genesis.

so you don't CARE...... (smole, lol, lol, lol.... Good, then there is nothing else for us to discuss..... good day to you.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

101G You are running down a ribbit trail..
God is ONE in three persons!
In the beginning was the WORD... God' WORD! Through The WORD all things were made "The WORD was GOD!"

The WORD became flesh!
Until the word became flesh it was "the Word AFTER the word became flesh "The Word became SON.... God' son!
101G After the "Word Became Flesh" God became FATER! NO ONE ......

First thanks for thew reply, second if this is a rabbit hole, lets take this one step at a time.
if the Word all things was made, well now why did God say that "he" made all things and no one "else" was there for him to go through, listen, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now Dogknox20, please hear the scripture out, the LORD made all thing by himself, .... "ALONE". get it? there was no one else for him to go through.... understand now? the WE and the US at Genesis 1:26 was to come, as you clearly stated, "The WORD became flesh!" now you had the answer in your mouth, listen to yourself, "Until the word became flesh it was "the Word AFTER the word became flesh "The Word became SON.... God' son!". so, what was the "WORD" before becoming FLESH? ... well that will answer your question. Remember there is only Spirit, and Flesh, so if the Word became flesh then the Word before coming flesh is ....... (see John 4:24a). Bingo. now that's the rabbit hole to go down. if any need to go down any hole at all.

101G no one gains the TITLE "Father" until a woman gives birth!
Until Mary "Gave Birth" God was God, Word & Spirit!
After Mary the Virgin gave Birth it became>>>>>> "Father & Son and Holy Spirit"!

well now that's NATURAL BIRTH. but what about spiritual Birth, (small cases "s" in spiritual? listen and learn, 1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." was the apostle Paul a father of them all ... "Naturally"? no, of course not, through the gospel. and this, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." was Timothy Paul own son "NATURALLY? no of course not. in the faith see your ERROR on titles. Father is not a person, but the title of a person, just as son is a title, and not a person, but the title of a person. understand the term "Son", it can be applied to a female, "spiritually", hello... this is what I been saying all along, one needs the Holy Ghost to understand Spiritual things. see, JESUS was never begotten, not Jesus the Living God, but the body that he came in was. understand the titles Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are of the ONE PERSON.... "JESUS". he holds all three, for he is the Holy Spirit.... Holy is his character, (the title Son), for the term Son, (applied to the Lord Jesus), mean character, or characteristics. and Spirit is his NATURE, the CREATOR, (see John 4:24a). and it was the Spirit, (the Word), at Genesis 1:1 CREATING ALL THINGS. hence the term ... "HOLY SPIRIT" who is Father/Spirit, and Son/Word. oh my this is too easy not to understand.
Now lets STOP here and digest what was said,
be blessed.
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[sojourner]

so you don't CARE...... (smole, lol, lol, lol.... Good, then there is nothing else for us to discuss..... good day to you.

PICJAG, 101G.

Thanks for misquoting me and continuing to gaslight to hide your own ineptitude.

 

[Muffled]

That is true.
Personally, I'd rather not depend on a sectarian Gospel "according to" John.
I prefer to take the whole [OT, Psalms, NT & Qur'an] before jumping to conclusions about Father and Son.

G-d is One. In my simple mind, that means either Father or Son is G-d .. not both.
It is clear to me from my studies, that it is the Father who is G-d
The Son is subservient to the Father.

That's it really. No ifs and buts.

I believe that concept is not supported by scripture. It is both. One Spirit in different modes.

 

[Muffled]

Hmm .. I don't think that Jesus would approve of that.
Squabbling over who Jesus/Christian belongs to is a sign of ignorance.

..so the Niceans "won". Big deal. What really matters is what happens after death. G-d knows who is sincere and who is not.

Whether Jesus is G-d or not, doesn't change anything, does it?
We all pray to the Creator .. but you claim only your prayers will be accepted?
Pfft. I think I'll trust in G-d to decide that.

I believe that is not the case. The reason I left Heaven and came back to earth was that I knew what happens on earth matters more than what happens in Heaven.

I believe it matters. If it is not God dying for us then it is not God showing his ultimate love for us and does not put a solid seal on forgiveness.

I suspect that some think that but I don't. My prayers were answered before I became a Christian. It is just that the name of Jesus gives the person more cred with God when praying.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It is just that the name of Jesus gives the person more cred with God when praying.

Really?
Then why is there enmity between Niceans and Arians?

No .. it is more than that. There is something in man's behaviour that just does not add up.
It's usually about power and wealth .. and this case is no different..

I say again, Jesus would not approve!
..any more than Muhammad would approve of the fighting between sunni/shia.

 

[Dogknox20]

First thanks for thew reply, second if this is a rabbit hole, lets take this one step at a time.
if the Word all things was made, well now why did God say that "he" made all things and no one "else" was there for him to go through, listen, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now Dogknox20, please hear the scripture out, the LORD made all thing by himself, .... "ALONE". get it? there was no one else for him to go through.... understand now? the WE and the US at Genesis 1:26 was to come, as you clearly stated, "The WORD became flesh!" now you had the answer in your mouth, listen to yourself, "Until the word became flesh it was "the Word AFTER the word became flesh "The Word became SON.... God' son!". so, what was the "WORD" before becoming FLESH? ... well that will answer your question. Remember there is only Spirit, and Flesh, so if the Word became flesh then the Word before coming flesh is ....... (see John 4:24a). Bingo. now that's the rabbit hole to go down. if any need to go down any hole at all.


well now that's NATURAL BIRTH. but what about spiritual Birth, (small cases "s" in spiritual? listen and learn, 1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." was the apostle Paul a father of them all ... "Naturally"? no, of course not, through the gospel. and this, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." was Timothy Paul own son "NATURALLY? no of course not. in the faith see your ERROR on titles. Father is not a person, but the title of a person, just as son is a title, and not a person, but the title of a person. understand the term "Son", it can be applied to a female, "spiritually", hello... this is what I been saying all along, one needs the Holy Ghost to understand Spiritual things. see, JESUS was never begotten, not Jesus the Living God, but the body that he came in was. understand the titles Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are of the ONE PERSON.... "JESUS". he holds all three, for he is the Holy Spirit.... Holy is his character, (the title Son), for the term Son, (applied to the Lord Jesus), mean character, or characteristics. and Spirit is his NATURE, the CREATOR, (see John 4:24a). and it was the Spirit, (the Word), at Genesis 1:1 CREATING ALL THINGS. hence the term ... "HOLY SPIRIT" who is Father/Spirit, and Son/Word. oh my this is too easy not to understand.
Now lets STOP here and digest what was said,
be blessed.
PICJAG, 101G.

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You ask... why did God say that "he" made all things and no one "else" was there for him to go through,
I reply.. God is ONE.. He did make all things!
Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE!
Matthew 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
101G This is what the lord said Through the Prophet! Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
(which means “God with us”).

You ask ... what was the "WORD" before becoming FLESH? The ANSWER IS.. The Word was GOD!
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Jesus is the Man God!
101G Christians have ALWAYS believed Jesus is God! If you reject what Christians believe then you are NOT Christian it is just this simple! The WORD became Flesh the Holy Spirit did not! The Word became Son!

SPIRITUAL BIRTH....
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

101G Water AND Spirit NOT spirit alone!
Right after Jesus said this John 3:5 he told Nicodemus if you Believe Me (Jesus) you will have eternal life!
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

101G Believing the words of Jesus IS Believing in Jesus! Christians believe the words of Jesus Christians Baptize to have Re-Birth.. To be Born again!

101G Believing IN Jesus is believing the words of Jesus! After Jesus talks to Nicodemus he goes out baptizing with water!
22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.

 

[101G]

You ask... why did God say that "he" made all things and no one "else" was there for him to go through,
I reply.. God is ONE.. He did make all things!
Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE!

thanks for the reply, but is the Father, son and Holy Spirit is the LORD? yes or NO. for if they are then it's only one person. for ONLY one person is the LORD.
looking to hear your answer.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Dogknox20]

thanks for the reply, but is the Father, son and Holy Spirit is the LORD? yes or NO. for if they are then it's only one person. for ONLY one person is the LORD.
looking to hear your answer.

PICJAG, 101G.

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One LORD!
Three persons!
Look.. Elizabeth is a Jew. Jews believe in ONE and ONLY (1) God! Elizabeth tells you "Mary is the Mother of her Lord!"! Mary is the Mother of Her God!

Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

LOOK...
46 And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.
50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.

The "From Now On" (above) is Prophesy! Christians have ALWAYS honored Mary as Blessed! Christians are IN The GENERATIONS of Mary! Christians believe as Elizabeth and also as Mary.. "The Lord is God"! "The Lord is Jesus"!

 

[101G]

One LORD!
Three persons!

thanks for the reply, but you ERROR, the LORD is "ONE" God, who is ONE PERSON, listen, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" and the LORD said he is a "I", a single person designation. just a couple examples, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" Genesis 28:13 "And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;" so ONE LORD, three person want fly. not at all, so try again..
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Dogknox20]

thanks for the reply, but you ERROR, the LORD is "ONE" God, who is ONE PERSON, listen, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" and the LORD said he is a "I", a single person designation. just a couple examples, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" Genesis 28:13 "And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;" so ONE LORD, three person want fly. not at all, so try again..
PICJAG, 101G.

101G Thank you for your reply... I hope all is well!

First... This FACT: Christians have ALWAYS believed Jesus is God! Jesus is God is a core Dogma of the Christian faith! Rejecting what Christians have always believed means you cannot be Christian!

You quote scripturas: The Scriptures tell you "The CHURCH has the Authority of God to TEACH all nations!"
101G Scriptures also tell you.. "Hear the Church and you hear Jesus, reject the Church and you reject Jesus and THUS you Reject God"!
Scriptures tell you "Jesus is ALWAYS with his Church the body of Believers to the end of the world!" This means; rejecting what Christians believe is Rejecting Truth and Salvation!"

Luke 10:16
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Jesus is the Way the Truth & The Life!
101G Who are you to say after 2000 years Christians have had it wrong? You are not an expert or scholar of any kind! (to do with religion)

101G Arius WAS a Christian until he taught the same thing you believe "Jesus is NOT God" Arius was AMONG Christians until he was rejected as a False Teacher!
This is Scripture it is PROPHESY!
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

101G Clearly Christians have "The Way of Truth!" Clearly Arius was a False Teacher the Prophesy CANNOT work in the reverse.. "Christians were NOT among Arius"!
You quote scriptures all fine and good don't stop at the few you read.. Look at and consider what God is telling you (above) scripture verses! Christians do NOT pick and chose only the verses they like and reject the others they do not like; as you do!

 

[101G]

101G took his time to answer all of your concerns, and question, he hopes you do the same by reading all his responses.

First... This FACT: Christians have ALWAYS believed Jesus is God! Jesus is God is a core Dogma of the Christian faith! Rejecting what Christians have always believed means you cannot be Christian!

First thanks for the reply, second all is well here, and I hope there with you also. third, we all believe that Jesus is God. but what do the bible say? he is Both LORD and Lord. can you agree with that statement? yes or no.

You quote scripturas: The Scriptures tell you "The CHURCH has the Authority of God to TEACH all nations!"
101G Scriptures also tell you.. "Hear the Church and you hear Jesus, reject the Church and you reject Jesus and THUS you Reject God"!
Scriptures tell you "Jesus is ALWAYS with his Church the body of Believers to the end of the world!" This means; rejecting what Christians believe is Rejecting Truth and Salvation!"

Stop right there, pause for a minute. the church has the Authority of God to TEACH if it God in the Church doing the TEACHING. for teaching is an ORDAINED ... "GIFT" of God, (per 1 Corinthians 12:28), and the "Gift" meaning it is God who is doing the actual TEACHING, in, in, in, his Church. so are you saying in your opinion of course that 101G reject God? I'm glad that it's your opinion and not a fact. because if 101G rejected God is it not your duty then to reprove 101G in the TRUTH? see I asked you a point blank question, which is a test to see who really reject God, and it WAS, (IGNORED). so I will asked it again, "is the Lord Jesus the same one person as the LORD". yes or no, now we will see by the fruit it bares who rejects God. now don't get me wrong, in these days and times I feel your concerns, but at the same time the proof is in the scriptures as to who RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word of TRUTH.

Luke 10:16
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

another concern, but the question who are the one's rejecting.... did not the bible clearly states, "we will know them by their "FRUIT". well be a friut inspector, compare what 101G say to the scriptures, and see if 101G is sent of God or not. as the apostle Paul said my proof is in my epistles. so is my proof in my POSTS. as with the written letters so is it with my written Posts. see as with the epistles, my posts they all can be examine, see if they have changed or deviated in any way in any POSTS. 101G is consistent in every post he makes. and as the bible says, "Prove 101G. in ERROR?".

Jesus is the Way the Truth & The Life!
101G Who are you to say after 2000 years Christians have had it wrong? You are not an expert or scholar of any kind! (to do with religion)

God is my witness, and my teacher.... did not the scholars get it wrong about Mary Magdalene being a prostute, and these scholars in the ... CHURCH".... just like 101G know for a fact that Rahab, in the book of Judges was not a prostute either, (but that's for another topic). and it was scholars who git that wrong who was in the ... "CHURCH" ... also.
and no, I'm not a scholar, nor an expert, in the field of LYING. but 101G is a son of God. so I guess my credentials are not high enough you or anyone of the "churches" out there.

101G Arius WAS a Christian until he taught the same thing you believe "Jesus is NOT God" Arius was AMONG Christians until he was rejected as a False Teacher!
This is Scripture it is PROPHESY!
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

NOPE, NATTA, ZILCH, no... Arius did not teach what 101G teaches, not "Diversified Oneness". see, position is that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God. meaning that Jesus Christ was not equal to God the Father. now the only thing we have in common is that he did not believe in any Holy Trinity..... and I agree there but not as in hos view...
let me be clear, I believe Jesus is GOD, the ONLY ONE "GOD" who is the "EQUAL" ... SHARE ..... of himself in Flesh. notice I said, "Who is the "EQUAL", not "a" EQUAL, but "the" EQUAL SHARE, of God in Flesh.
and please NOTE: there are many Arius right now in the body of Christ the Church, and don't even know it. just as Arius WAS a Christian and WRONG, so are many today. just because the majority won the day back then, dose not nessary mean thay won the battle. a majority do not always me they are RIGHT, just as I said about Rahab, she was not a prostitute.

101G Clearly Christians have "The Way of Truth!" Clearly Arius was a False Teacher the Prophesy CANNOT work in the reverse.. "Christians were NOT among Arius"!
You quote scriptures all fine and good don't stop at the few you read.. Look at and consider what God is telling you (above) scripture verses! Christians do NOT pick and chose only the verses they like and reject the others they do not like; as you do!

Christians have only one way, that's holiness. and as for Prophesy is it not in reverse to us...... is not Prophesy truth which have alread happen, before we get there when it happens already? and Christians should be following the Lord Jesus... correct, so why are many not FOLLOWING?
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Dogknox20]

You ask.. he is Both LORD and Lord. can you agree with that statement? yes or no.
To be very clear.. Jesus is Both God and Man! Jesus is the "God/Man"! Mary is the Mother of Elizabeth's LORD! Jews have ONE Lord and that is God! EVERY...
101G every place in the whole chapter of Luke 1 where the word "Lord" is written you can substitute the word "God" ! Example.. Luke 1:15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. (GOD) He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

The Church (Christians) has the Authority of God to TEACH ALL Nations... Scriptures tell you.. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them.....
Your words... if it God in the Church doing the TEACHING.
I reply.. YES it is the Church teaching "Jesus is God!" Christians have ALWAYS taught "Jesus is God"! “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go..and teaching them..... And TEACH ALL NATIONS with AUTHORITY .. "Jesus is God"!

You said... 101G is consistent in every post he makes.
I reply: You have NO AUTHORITY! You are NOT CHURCH! You speak for no one! You are consistent in every post; full of error! God gave his AUTHORITY to the ONE Church he established before he ascended back into heaven! NONE OTHERS!
The Church came before the bible! The Church made the bible it is a book of the CHURCH! GUIDED....
101G guided by God the Holy Spirit "The CHURCH" none other decided the truly inspired words of God from the many (hundreds) of phony letters that were in circulation back then! TOSS...
101G toss your bible out your stinking bathroom window if you reject the AUTHORITY of the Church that put YOUR bible together otherwise how can you be sure your bible is the correctly interpreted words of God if you reject The Church!?!?

YES... "we will know them by their "FRUIT".
Jesus established ONE CHURCH! You refuse to listen to the Church you are rejecting God!
The Catholic Church started Orphanages, Schools, Hospitals! She was the Welfare for the poor the people came to the CHURCH for a hand up NOT the Government! The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church speaks up for the poor and the down trodden! She is a bulwark fighting against the evils of Abortion! The One Holy Catholic Church is The Body of Jesus! She is Apostolic she has 2000 yea old roots "Jesus IS always with HER TO THE VERY END OF THE WORLD! Always with means Jesus is NOT he cannot be with your man made church! CHURCH TEACHES WITH AUTHORITY.. Not you!

You said... that Jesus Christ was not equal to God the Father.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

 

[sojourner]

thanks for the reply, but you ERROR, the LORD is "ONE" God, who is ONE PERSON, listen, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" and the LORD said he is a "I", a single person designation. just a couple examples, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" Genesis 28:13 "And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;" so ONE LORD, three person want fly. not at all, so try again..
PICJAG, 101G.

Of course, the Trinity is conceptualized from both Hebrew and Greek texts — not the Hebrew texts alone. Since the Hebrew texts were written before the revelation of Christ, they necessarily wouldn’t include Jesus in their theological development.