Genesis 2

[Thief]

Originally Posted by gnostic
That has always being Christianity's answer to books they don't like - burn them.

Much of history, arts and literature were lost because of over-zealous Christian priests and monks like burning and destroying history and books.



There is the promise of a "good fire" in the future. ALL that offends GOD will be included in it.

I have also considered ...'the books of life shall be opened'.....

I AM the book of my life.

I would assume the same for you.

 

[Thief]

And after thousands of years of failure, people are still waiting.


Every person who has made this claim of "coming soon" have all been wrong.

I for one don't see it that way.

Heaven appears the moment you die.
Whether you are allowed to follow is a choice made by heaven.

It tends to be immediate.

 

[sincerly]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Pease look up and comprehend what the defiition of fact actually is please.

Like all of your repeated postings, this one has been seen and countered when it is applied to the spontaneous multiplicity of cell life from a single theorized arrival of one cell into everything in the plant and animal kingdoms. The fact is it can not happen the way it has been theorized. Those who believe it admit to their lack of knowing and developing the "details". Scientist say---- just take my word for it. And so you have.

 

[Desert Snake]

Like all of your repeated postings, this one has been seen and countered when it is applied to the spontaneous multiplicity of cell life from a single theorized arrival of one cell into everything in the plant and animal kingdoms. The fact is it can not happen the way it has been theorized. Those who believe it admit to their lack of knowing and developing the "details". Scientist say---- just take my word for it. And so you have.

Agreed, it's gotten to the point of fanaticism, can't even have a normal discussion.

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

I guess you will have to look up the word comprehension and get its definition as well as facts.

because you do not comprehend what the word "fact" is, and you appeal to ignorance has been noted.

 

[outhouse]

If you cant bring evidence to the table as I have.


You don't get a credible say so here.

 

[Desert Snake]

If you cant bring evidence to the table as I have.


You don't get a credible say so here.

..........:biglaugh:

 

[outhouse]

If you cant bring evidence to the table as I have.


You don't get a credible say so here.

 

[Thief]

I still say Genesis Chapter Two is altogether credible.

Chalk it up as faith and faith needs no evidence.

 

[outhouse]

If you cant bring evidence to the table as I have.


You don't get a credible say so here.

 

[outhouse]

Let it be known.

Absense of evidence, is only an appeal to ignorance, and does not, nor can it, dictate what really happened for our human origins that is scientifically understood.

Faith does not replace science, or history or reality.

There has never been a place for any mythology or deity to be attributed, to any aspect of human origins with any credibility what so ever, with such clear scientific facts that leave no doubt about human evolution.

 

[sincerly]

Let it be known.

Absense of evidence, is only an appeal to ignorance, and does not, nor can it, dictate what really happened for our human origins that is scientifically understood.

Faith does not replace science, or history or reality.

There has never been a place for any mythology or deity to be attributed, to any aspect of human origins with any credibility what so ever, with such clear scientific facts that leave no doubt about human evolution.

Outhouse, what is credible is the very admission by those scientist that they do not have the very necessary "details" to made their theories "fact". They are relying upon their "faith" in what they have supposed.

During those early thousands of years, the Creator GOD showed HIS ability to perform that which HE declared---and it was recorded by those who witnessed the action.

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse, what is credible is the very admission by those scientist that they do not have the very necessary "details" to made their theories "fact". They are relying upon their "faith" in what they have supposed.

During those early thousands of years, the Creator GOD showed HIS ability to perform that which HE declared---and it was recorded by those who witnessed the action.

PLEASE LEARN THE WORD FACT.

And then we can talk.

 

[CG Didymus]

During those early thousands of years, the Creator GOD showed HIS ability to perform that which HE declared---and it was recorded by those who witnessed the action.

The "stories" found in all the other religions are false according to a fundamental Christian view? Correct? So their assumed "facts" are wrong?

Lots of people believe in the Bible and have all sorts of different beliefs. So what are the "facts" of the Bible that all people can agree on as the verifiable truth? Even some that believe in Jesus don't take all the stories literal. Why is that? A lack of faith? Making concessions with what the natural world is telling us? I doubt that anybody has 100% faith in the Bible.

They can fool themselves and pretend that some things are figurative. Or, that some things aren't applicable today, But, in reality, those are just excuses for not doing and believing, by faith, in the exact words of God. For example, drinking poison and taking up snakes.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Outhouse, what is credible is the very admission by those scientist that they do not have the very necessary "details" to made their theories "fact". They are relying upon their "faith" in what they have supposed.

During those early thousands of years, the Creator GOD showed HIS ability to perform that which HE declared---and it was recorded by those who witnessed the action.

PLEASE LEARN THE WORD FACT.

And then we can talk.

Fact: Something that exists or happens; something that has actual existence.
: A true piece of information.

This earth 'actually exists', therefore, it is a fact.
The theories by which the scientific community declare was the "source" for what is "actually physically present", by their own admission lacks proven "details" and is therefore, NOT a true(factual) piece of information.
They have NOT produced the first "element" from nothing. Neither have they taken the elements that are "factually present" and produced "Life" even in a one cell organism(plant or animal).

They acknowledge that "fact"---it is you that appears to know more than they---since you refuse to acknowledge the "fact" that they admit.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
During those early thousands of years, the Creator GOD showed HIS ability to perform that which HE declared---and it was recorded by those who witnessed the action.

The "stories" found in all the other religions are false according to a fundamental Christian view? Correct? So their assumed "facts" are wrong?

Hi CG D,I have scripturally gone over those points many times in posts to you so again.
Before "writing" came into being, information was passed from one generation to the next orally. Seth's family were nomads following their herds. Therefore, no "hard copies" of their activities/beliefs until Moses came into the picture.
Therefore, the "stories" were orally passed to the people. All of the first 1565 Years before the flood was known by those eight persons who were on the Ark.

We do not know how many people were produced in the 100 years between the landing of the Ark and the "scattering of the people at the tower of Babel. But they all had knowledge of the history of those generations before them and the expectant rules and relationship to the Creator GOD.

At the time of Abraham and his encounter with the Egyptian King Abemelich(Gen12:14-20) concerning Sarah. The King was reminded and recognized GOD'S prohibition concerning another man's wife, and the power of GOD.

Also, Paul in Rom.1:17-32 speak of those who were "scattered." vs.28, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; "

That's GOD'S view/commands. Whatsoever is contrary to HIS view is wrong--per GOD.

Lots of people believe in the Bible and have all sorts of different beliefs. So what are the "facts" of the Bible that all people can agree on as the verifiable truth? Even some that believe in Jesus don't take all the stories literal. Why is that? A lack of faith? Making concessions with what the natural world is telling us? I doubt that anybody has 100% faith in the Bible.

2Tim. 3:5, "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
CG D, many have taken the word of GOD in vain, they profess with the lips, but the heart is far from GOD.(Isa.29:13; Matt.15:8; Mark 7:6)
Their Love(lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and the pride of life) keeps one tied to the things of the world.
The natural world testifies of their Creator GOD----Not a unorderly explosion.

I know of other's beside myself who have 100% faith in the Bible---"Thy Truth".

They can fool themselves and pretend that some things are figurative. Or, that some things aren't applicable today, But, in reality, those are just excuses for not doing and believing, by faith, in the exact words of God. For example, drinking poison and taking up snakes.

CG D, in relation to the principle seen in those examples, one has to use Jesus example during HIS testing. Satan said jump off the steeple, but that was not the principle of the verse quoted to Jesus by Satan.
What Jesus had said was if thine enemy had tried to poison them or a snake had accidentally bitten them ---they would not die. see Matt.4:7

 

[Thief]

Let it be known.

Absense of evidence, is only an appeal to ignorance, and does not, nor can it, dictate what really happened for our human origins that is scientifically understood.

Faith does not replace science, or history or reality.

There has never been a place for any mythology or deity to be attributed, to any aspect of human origins with any credibility what so ever, with such clear scientific facts that leave no doubt about human evolution.

Yeah well......there sure are a lot of etchings on cave walls displaying Something Greater than us.

 

[outhouse]

Wow

There is nothing about the origins of humans in the bible that has ever been proven to be accurate scientifically.


Evolution is fact.

Let it be known.

Absense of evidence, is only an appeal to ignorance, and does not, nor can it, dictate what really happened for our human origins that is scientifically understood.

Faith does not replace science, or history or reality.

There has never been a place for any mythology or deity to be attributed, to any aspect of human origins with any credibility what so ever, with such clear scientific facts that leave no doubt about human evolution.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Desert Snake]

Let it be known.

....:spit:

 

[CG Didymus]

Originally Posted by sincerly ...one has to use Jesus example during HIS testing. Satan said jump off the steeple, but that was not the principle of the verse quoted to Jesus by Satan.
What Jesus had said was if thine enemy had tried to poison them or a snake had accidentally bitten them ---they would not die. see Matt.4:7

It's no fun arguing with you, because you have only one view of truth. It's very exclusive. But, it's still only one of many ways Christians interpret the truth found in the Bible. Yours is very literal and very fundamentalistic. You're always right and everybody else is wrong and somehow deluded or blind.

The truth I see has the Jews believe their Scriptures completely different than you. They don't believe in the same Messiah as you, and they don't believe in the same satan as you. What Jesus said about drinking poison and handling snakes is in Mark, a very controversial part of Mark. Was it in the original? Did someone add it? If so, did Jesus ever say such a thing. But what it does say is the true believer will heal the sick, raise the dead, and drink deadly poison and not be harmed, and pick up serpents. I hope no one takes it literally, but why make these verses figurative and not others?