Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I am familiar with the 'something from nothing' bb theories, but they are a theoretical conceptualization of an impossible event.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Genesis - Big Bang mash-up
- Thread starter sun rise
- Start date
I dont see why given that the "nothing" referred to in the theories seems to be more of a technical term meaning nothing but the fabric of space-time and not the strawman absolute nothing you appear to be implying in my view.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ok, if the fabric of space-time of the universe pre-exists the bb in the bb theory, then so long as the mass of the universe stays the same pre and after bb, I'm ok with it as a theory. But getting mass from no mass is impossible.
It is unknown if there was a "pre-big bang" according to my understanding, scientists only have a limited knowledge of what happened at T>0, so it is not possible to compare the mass after the big bang to an unknown quantity.
Well the mass may have always been there or it may have come from something different to mass, as far as I'm aware it is unknown.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But if there was no pre-bb, then that implies absolute nothing! Mass from no mass, existence from no existence, something from nothing is not solid science imho.
I guess that pretty much settles it,
although I suspect that your "familiar with" suggests more familiarity than is warranted.
And when Santa looks north from his North Pole abode he is truly staring into the void.
To what should we credit your expertise regarding "solid science"?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Not Santa, God!
There are many hypothesis on pre bb, here is one considering a universe from nothing. And it is solid science, backed ip with solid maths.
[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
You credit God with your expertise regarding "solid science"? That explains much.
Take care ...
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But where did the pre-bb vacuum bubble that was created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum that expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open, and ends when the bubble becomes large come from?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
My pleasure Sir.You credit God with your expertise regarding "solid science"? That explains much.
Quantum fluctuations as it says in the part you quoted.
Last edited:
If you take this view based on your intentional ignorance of science and Quantum Mechanics,
The "nothing" in a allegorical description of the Quantum World based on Quantum Mechanics is NOT truly "absolute nothing."
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
So quantum fluctuations of the false vacuum pre-exist bb? Well that is not something from nothing.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ok, I have no trouble accepting cosmic transmutations involving one state into another state, but mass from no mass is impossible. Do you agree?
No it implies a Quantum world of Quantum fluctuations that form singularities like black holes and likely the merging of Black Holes,
The mass of our universe did not come from nothing. It came from the expansion of the energy of the singularity of the initial universe, The equivalence of energy and matter described by Einstein. Hydrogen formed first.
Explain "false vacuum?" It is not a scientific concept. Your talking gibberish,
No, because the initial source of mass is the energy of the energy of the expansion of the singularity. It is not mass from no mass. It is mass from energy.
Read (and understand) the paper, not just the preamble. The quanta in the vacuum bubble appear from nothing. Yes i know its a difficult concept to get your head around but ignorance of quantum mechanics does not make it go away.