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Genesis chapter 1

tomasortega

Active Member
HENCE WHY YOU READ MORE THAN ONE!!!!!!..

more than one what? study bible? they are all based on the same concept of trying to blow every good out of proportion while hiding or deviating all the bad things

its all the same crap of trying to make everything conform to the agenda of belief in god and bible.

why dont you give the skeptics annotated bible a shot. its the same crap in reverse. trying to push the agenda of the bible's inferiority.

How do you know that? Did you actually try READING one? If so, which one?

Perhaps you would be so kind as to direct me to the verse where that's instructed, not as proof that it's there, but so I can look it up in one of mine, and show you what the study Torahs I have say about it.



i dont feel like looking up the exact passage and commentary again. besides i gave you an example for general understanding. why dont you tell me what your torahs commentary says about the whole midian thing. theres no doubt in my mind it will say something about god's fatherly love and purpose. and go on about his divine teaching and the importance of obedience while not actually condemning the evil of murdering innocent children cause hey, if god ordered it, it must be good right?
 

Little Joe Gould

Seeking God
I couldn't care less about whether or not the events in the Bible literally took place or not. In my opinion, it is the least thing a Christian should be concerned about. I always say; learn from the past, live in the moment, plan for the future. The stories in the Bible, whether they happened or not, are still stories with good lessons to be learned. I understand that some of you think "It either happened or it didn't". Try looking up the riddle of Schrodinger's cat in the box; it's one of the much more paradoxical implications of quantum physics. Really use your brain, and think abstractly, and you'll see how the two are related.

If you are just starting out reading the Bible and are making the effort to read it cover to cover; don't waste your time. You'll get bored at least by Leviticus and put it down. The Bible is meant to be read for quality, not quantity. Try starting with the book of John, or even my personal favorite, the book of James.

Peace.
 

Hospitaller

Seminarian
I couldn't care less about whether or not the events in the Bible literally took place or not. In my opinion, it is the least thing a Christian should be concerned about. I always say; learn from the past, live in the moment, plan for the future. The stories in the Bible, whether they happened or not, are still stories with good lessons to be learned. I understand that some of you think "It either happened or it didn't". Try looking up the riddle of Schrodinger's cat in the box; it's one of the much more paradoxical implications of quantum physics. Really use your brain, and think abstractly, and you'll see how the two are related.

If you are just starting out reading the Bible and are making the effort to read it cover to cover; don't waste your time. You'll get bored at least by Leviticus and put it down. The Bible is meant to be read for quality, not quantity. Try starting with the book of John, or even my personal favorite, the book of James.

Peace.

OoOoO :troll::troll::D:D
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
more than one what? study bible? they are all based on the same concept of trying to blow every good out of proportion while hiding or deviating all the bad things

its all the same crap of trying to make everything conform to the agenda of belief in god and bible.

How do you know that? How CAN you know that if you haven't read any?

why dont you give the skeptics annotated bible a shot. its the same crap in reverse. trying to push the agenda of the bible's inferiority.

I've glanced at it, and wasn't that impressed.

i dont feel like looking up the exact passage and commentary again. besides i gave you an example for general understanding. why dont you tell me what your torahs commentary says about the whole midian thing. theres no doubt in my mind it will say something about god's fatherly love and purpose. and go on about his divine teaching and the importance of obedience while not actually condemning the evil of murdering innocent children cause hey, if god ordered it, it must be good right?

I'd love to, but I don't know where it is. Somehow I doubt it.
 

tomasortega

Active Member
How do you know that? How CAN you know that if you haven't read any?



I've glanced at it, and wasn't that impressed.



I'd love to, but I don't know where it is. Somehow I doubt it.


i know because ive read it. lots of it. not just on a passage or two. dont assume things you dont know

you werent impressed because you dont agree with any of it. im sure you are impressed with the study bible explanations

if you dont even know where it is, then obviously you never read it. if youve never read it then you have no room to talk about it.


tell you what. pick any story in the bible.... say genesis chapter 19 where god saves lot and his family from sodom and gomorrah, right after lot offers his two daughters to the sodomites as sex slaves advertising their virginity, although he lied even about that because they were both married. anyway, so god saves him and his family because apparently lot has found favor in gods eyes and is portrayed as a standup guy and strong believer....by the end of the chapter lot gets drunk like a good little man of god and has hot sex with his own two daughters leaving them pregnant......

now, obviously this whole story raises morality questions left and right, but hey, why dont you show us what your study bible has to say on this... i bet it will pull spiritual teachings on god's great mercy out of this mess of a story.
 
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Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
more than one what? study bible? they are all based on the same concept of trying to blow every good out of proportion while hiding or deviating all the bad things
You demonstrate inordinant ignorance.

why dont you give the skeptics annotated bible a shot. its the same crap in reverse.
Because it's both childish and worthless.

why dont you tell me what your torahs commentary says about the whole midian thing.
It's bombastic folklore.

theres no doubt in my mind ...
(A fact that, given your ignorance, speaks volumes.)

it will say something about god's fatherly love and purpose. and go on about his divine teaching and the importance of obedience while not actually condemning the evil of murdering innocent children cause hey, if god ordered it, it must be good right?
You would be wrong, but that should come as no surprise to most of us ...
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
why dont we keep this thread clean.
Oh, joy! Does this mean that you're going to stop posting garbage?
1. those christians who do not believe that the "entire" bible is the word of god. how do they determine which parts are god inspired or gods word and which are not? is it a personal decision. is it different for everyone? if so then where do we draw the line? there are some christians who say god accepts gays while others or most claim god hates them. are there some christians who believe that the whole bible is the word of god, and other christians who go as far as saying almost none of it is? what is fact, or truth and what is a lie or fiction? was the talking snake a fairy tale but the talking donkey really existed? who decides these things? and why do we need to decide at all? isnt the bible meant as some kind of a divine instruction manual to enlighten people and instruct them how to live their lifes? and to teach moral dos and donts? well excuse me, but an instruction manual shouldnt itself need an instruction manual, an answer shouldnt need an answer. if god commands "dont cook a young goat in its mother's milk", "dont suffer a witch to live" and "dont steal" side by side, who are we to say "oh well, this command looks good to me, but this other one is kinda silly, i think ill ignore it"?
I guess not!!!
isnt the bible meant as some kind of a divine instruction manual to enlighten people and instruct them how to live their lifes?
No. Plus, it's not even some kind of a divine instruction manual to enlighten people and instruct them how to live their lives. it's a witness of our relationship with God. Period.
who are we to say "oh well, this command looks good to me, but this other one is kinda silly, i think ill ignore it"?
We're the people who produced the texts. we can do whatever we wish with them. much of our weighing of scripture is done with the aid of several forms of literary criticism, anthropology and solid exegesis. In that way, we can determine what is fair and what is not fair for us to "take literally."
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
all that means is that a bunch of believers got together and interpreted the bible just like any other schmo out there
Actually, several imminent scholars are not "believers.
religious scholars go off of the biased concept that the bible is absolute truth in the first place and therefore cant possibly be wrong.
What you know about Biblical scholarship could be placed on the head of a pin.
then they work their way through the bible with that concept in mind and try to come up with the best possible theories and interpretations to fit and validate their initial belief.
This is called "proof-texting," and is not a valid method of scholarship. We've known this for quite some time, now.
for example: when god orders his people to kill another tribe (the midians i believe it was), including all women, children, infants, animals, etc. rather than giving you the obvious natural human response condemning this evil atrocity, the prestigious scholarly study bible blows right past reality and gives you the twisted BS indoctrination story of god's fatherly love and good intent, completely ignoring and dismissing the actual killing of hundreds of innocent children, as part of a greater good, a divine and wonderful lets hold hands and praise the LAUD teaching/message.
Actually, that is acknowledged, and we seek to find out why the writer had God do that. Usually, the story is alegorical, and based out of the writer's theological position, not an historical, or even moral position. That way, we don't go off half-cocked, as per your fine example here.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
tell you what. pick any story in the bible.... say genesis chapter 19 where god saves lot and his family from sodom and gomorrah, right after lot offers his two daughters to the sodomites as sex slaves advertising their virginity, although he lied even about that because they were both married. anyway, so god saves him and his family because apparently lot has found favor in gods eyes and is portrayed as a standup guy and strong believer....by the end of the chapter lot gets drunk like a good little man of god and has hot sex with his own two daughters leaving them pregnant......
Do hospitality laws and trust in God ring any bells with you? Or are you too busy with your own agenda to realize how abysmally vapid your "analysis" is?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
i know because ive read it. lots of it. not just on a passage or two. dont assume things you dont know

Which one? Only one? Not good enough.

you werent impressed because you dont agree with any of it. im sure you are impressed with the study bible explanations
It seemed more like the "bashers'" annotated Bible than the Skeptic's annotated Bible.

if you dont even know where it is, then obviously you never read it. if youve never read it then you have no room to talk about it.
I have read the Torah, twice. It's been a while, and I was speed-reading them. So I do remember the Midians, but I don't remember where it occurs exactly. I'm assuming Numbers, because that's where most of the post-exodus narrative is.


tell you what. pick any story in the bible.... say genesis chapter 19 where god saves lot and his family from sodom and gomorrah, right after lot offers his two daughters to the sodomites as sex slaves advertising their virginity, although he lied even about that because they were both married. anyway, so god saves him and his family because apparently lot has found favor in gods eyes and is portrayed as a standup guy and strong believer....by the end of the chapter lot gets drunk like a good little man of god and has hot sex with his own two daughters leaving them pregnant......

now, obviously this whole story raises morality questions left and right, but hey, why dont you show us what your study bible has to say on this... i bet it will pull spiritual teachings on god's great mercy out of this mess of a story.
Doubt it. I haven't come across ANYTHING like that in my study Bibles.

Okay... on Lot willing to give up his daughters, here's what Alter has to say:

"Lot's shocking offer, about which the narrator, characteristically, makes no explicit judgment, is too patly explained as the reflex of an ancient Near Eastern code in which the sacredness of the host-guest bond took precedence over all other obligations. Lot surely is inciting the lust of the would-be rapists in using the same verb of sexual "knowledge" they had applied to the visitors in order to proffer the virginity of his daughters for their pleasure. The concluding episode of this chapter, in which the drunken Lot unwittingly takes the virginity of both his daughters, suggests measure-for-measure justice meted out for his rash offer."

Hm... interesting. So Lot was being rash because in his eyes, based on the hospitality customs of the time, the well-being of his angelic guests outweighed the well-being of his daughters, and as punishment, took his daughters' virginity himself in drunken stupor. Nothing about God's loving grace here.

Let's see what Friedman has to say:

"Some say that this is a matter of ancient Near Eastern hospitality: Lot as the host must do anything to protect his guests. Some say that daughters were held in low esteem in that world's values. Ramban and others say that this shows that Lot had an evil heart. It seems to me that it is not the Near Eastern tradition of hospitality but of bargaining that accounts for what is going on here. ... Lot is supposed to make an extraordinary gesture. He offers his own daughters. But no one is supposed to take him up on it. And then, in this horrible town, the gesture does not work anyway. The people only become angry."

Uh, huh. Nothing about God's grace here. (the elipses only indicate a bit about Abraham making a bargain elsewhere, and isn't that important.) More or less the same thing that Alter said, but worded differently and not mentioning Lot's drunken incestuous episode. (Friedman doesn't mention that bit at all.)

Now, let's see what the Jewish Publication Society has to say (it's a footnote):

"Lot's offer of his two daughters is surely connected to the tragicomic scene at the end of the chapter when they get him drunk and encage in incestuous relations with him."

There you have it. Nothing about God's grace(in fact, nothing about God at all), and implications that what Lot did was bad.

These study Bibles don't bring God up if God is not a major player in the story.
 
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