Genesis contradictions?

[Enoch07]

It is there plain as day. You are not refuting it in anyway other than a vague opinion and piffy one liners. So if you plan on refuting it go ahead. But your lack of posting anything other than rude comments shows you can't.

 

[Zardoz]

There are no real contradictions. See my post on this subject:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/messianic-judaism/77771-creation-man.html

Remember that is in a DIR forum, do NOT debate it there, but here in the debate forums.

 

[McBell]

How could he create man as male and female in Genesis 1:27 if He did not create Eve from Adams rib until, Genesis 2: 22?

Because chapter one is talking about how God made the Earth and everything on it.
Chapter two describes the specifics of what happened on day six.

Because He created all races in Genesis 1:27 and indeed the Lord looked down and it was good.

If you wish to believe this, by all means, go ahead.
Who knows, you might even be right.

Eve was not created till after the 7th day of rest when after God told Adam to name all the beast of the earth.

Based on what you presented from Genesis above, no she was not.
She was created on the sixth day along with Adam.

Adam and Eve were special because it is this genealogy that yields us Jesus several thousand years later. All other races where there outside of Eden though living a ordinary human existence.

The Bible says nothing about other races in what you presented.
Chapter one is describing how the Earth and all that is on it was created.
Chapter two describes the specifics of what happened on day six.

 

[Enoch07]

Because chapter one is talking about how God made the Earth and everything on it.
Chapter two describes the specifics of what happened on day six.

That odd considering Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
Everything from this point on happens after the seventh day...

If you wish to believe this, by all means, go ahead.
Who knows, you might even be right.

I am right. Each race has its unique traits. That is because God made lots of different types of people on the sixth day. We did not all come from Adam and Eve, indeed some of us did. But the majority of the world population is from sixth day creation outside of Eden.

Based on what you presented from Genesis above, no she was not.
She was created on the sixth day along with Adam.

Eves race was created on the sixth day yes. Because she comes from Adam who was created on the sixth day. But Eve herself was not created till after the seventh day, from Adams dna.

The Bible says nothing about other races in what you presented.
Chapter one is describing how the Earth and all that is on it was created.
Chapter two describes the specifics of what happened on day six.

Yes it does. Genesis 4: 16 & 17 are the clearest.

Genesis 4:16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden.
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son--Enoch.

This is after Cain slew Able, and God exiled Cain to Nod. How did Cain meet a wife if there was no other people at that time? Surely he did not build an entire city by himself. Because all other races were outside of Eden already. Created on the sixth day.

 

[McBell]

Everything from this point on happens after the seventh day...

If you say so.
We will just have to disagree.

I am right.

I disagree.
And you have not yet presented anything that convinces me otherwise.
Now before you start whining...
I have no vested interest one way or the other.

Each race has its unique traits. That is because God made lots of different types of people on the sixth day. We did not all come from Adam and Eve, indeed some of us did. But the majority of the world population is from sixth day creation outside of Eden.

Although this is purely assumption, I have no problems with it simply because Genesis 4:16-17 actually support it.

Eves race was created on the sixth day yes. Because she comes from Adam who was created on the sixth day. But Eve herself was not created till after the seventh day, from Adams dna.

Here the Bible, IMO, does not agree with your theory.
However, to be fair, the Bible does not necessarily disagree with it either.
In fact, the Bible seems to be silent in this respect.

Yes it does.

No it does not.

Genesis 4: 16 & 17 are the clearest.

Genesis 4:16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden.
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son--Enoch.

You did not present this until AFTER I stated that what you presented does not support what you were saying.

And even this doesn't support your theory that Eve was created after the seventh day.

This is after Cain slew Able, and God exiled Cain to Nod. How did Cain meet a wife if there was no other people at that time? Because all other races were outside of Eden already. Created on the sixth day.

Seems we agree on this part at least.

 

[Enoch07]

I disagree.
And you have not yet presented anything that convinces me otherwise.
Now before you start whining...
I have no vested interest one way or the other.

I have presented the evidence which is clear and concise. You just chose to not believe it. Nothing I can do about that.

Although this is purely assumption, I have no problems with it simply because Genesis 4:16-17 actually support it.

Huh? You agree with me that there were races outside of Eden. Yet you disagree that they was created on the sixth day. When did these beings come into existence in your opinion?

Here the Bible, IMO, does not agree with your theory.
However, to be fair, the Bible does not necessarily disagree with it either.
In fact, the Bible seems to be silent in this respect.

The Bible is quite clear that Eve was made from Adam after the seventh day of rest. I do not know how you think otherwise.

No it does not.

Then why are you agreeing with me that Genesis 4:16 & 17 point to races outside of Eden in the quote earlier? Here Ill re-post it again:

Although this is purely assumption, I have no problems with it simply because Genesis 4:16-17 actually support it.

You did not present this until AFTER I stated that what you presented does not support what you were saying.

Well duh you asked me to back up the presence of other races and I used Genesis 4:16 & 17 to back it up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mestemia
The Bible says nothing about other races in what you presented.
Chapter one is describing how the Earth and all that is on it was created.
Chapter two describes the specifics of what happened on day six.

I stated: Yes it does. Genesis 4: 16 & 17 are the clearest.

Which proves your underlined statement from that quote incorrect.

And even this doesn't support your theory that Eve was created after the seventh day.

Well considering the seventh day ended on Genesis 2:2 and Eve was not created until Genesis 2:22 which is after the seventh day, the biblical evidence is strong.

 

[sojourner]

All I've read are two separate stories from two separate authors.

What you've provided might be closer to what the compilers were thinking.

Not likely. The compilers had no such notion of Jesus. They were interested in preserving all of the Tradition, without regard to making it all "fit." There are several other examples of such contradictions. Why should Genesis be any different?

 

[sojourner]

I have presented the evidence which is clear and concise.

You have presented opinion, which is not based in solid scholarship, but on conjecture.

 

[McBell]

I have presented the evidence which is clear and concise. You just chose to not believe it. Nothing I can do about that.

Huh? You agree with me that there were races outside of Eden. Yet you disagree that they was created on the sixth day. When did these beings come into existence in your opinion?

The Bible is quite clear that Eve was made from Adam after the seventh day of rest. I do not know how you think otherwise.

Then why are you agreeing with me that Genesis 4:16 & 17 point to races outside of Eden in the quote earlier? Here Ill re-post it again:

Well duh you asked me to back up the presence of other races and I used Genesis 4:16 & 17 to back it up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mestemia
The Bible says nothing about other races in what you presented.
Chapter one is describing how the Earth and all that is on it was created.
Chapter two describes the specifics of what happened on day six.

I stated: Yes it does. Genesis 4: 16 & 17 are the clearest.

Which proves your underlined statement from that quote incorrect.

Well considering the seventh day ended on Genesis 2:2 and Eve was not created until Genesis 2:22 which is after the seventh day, the biblical evidence is strong.

Now you are merely chasing your tail.
Good luck with that.

 

[sojourner]

But Eve herself was not created till after the seventh day, from Adams dna.

1:27 = Male and female, God created them.
2:1 = Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their multitude. And on the seventh day God finished the work that God had done...

Eve doesn't sound like an "8th day creation" to me...

 

[McBell]

You have presented opinion, which is not based in solid scholarship, but on conjecture.

At least SOMEONE understands...

Frubals!

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

God didn't write the stories. Human beings did. Why do you seem to think that that the only way God speaks to us is through the Bible? God makes God's design known to me through so much more than the Bible.

This really sounds like an interesting statement.
I am wondering what the "so much more" is.
And i am wondering what criteria you have for asserting the truth of your particular interpretation of your religion. (perhaps not in this thread? )

 

[Enoch07]

Now you are merely chasing your tail.
Good luck with that.

You are the one contradicting yourself like 5 times in that single post. I am not the one spinning in circles.

Sojourner you do not even believe Adam and Eve to have been physical people, or that the events in Genesis actually happened as written. So how can you argue what was sixth day creations or not?

The simple answer is that Genesis is neither history, nor science. It's theology. "Adam" isn't a literary character, but a literary type.

If you want to believe that fine. But at least I got my information from the Bible as opposed to from a literature teacher.

 

[sojourner]

This really sounds like an interesting statement.
I am wondering what the "so much more" is.
And i am wondering what criteria you have for asserting the truth of your particular interpretation of your religion. (perhaps not in this thread? )

The Bible is part of the Tradition of the Church. Truth is transmitted by the Church through her documents, both canon and extra-canonical. Truth is, likewise transmitted through the acts of the Church and her members -- the building of and caring for relationships. In those Acts, the Church bears witness to God at work in us.
As I've said before, in other threads, we have a tripod upon which our doctrine is founded: Scripture, Tradition, and reason. There is a "sense of the community," through which truth is known and espoused, that is built upon this tripod.

 

[sojourner]

You are the one contradicting yourself like 5 times in that single post. I am not the one spinning in circles.

Sojourner you do not even believe Adam and Eve to have been physical people, or that the events in Genesis actually happened as written. So how can you argue what was sixth day creations or not?

I'm not arguing "what happened on the sixth day." I'm arguing what the authors meant by what they wrote.

 

[McBell]

You are the one contradicting yourself like 5 times in that single post. I am not the one spinning in circles.

Your inability to comprehend is not something I can fix.
YOU will have to be the one to work on it.

Sojourner you do not even believe Adam and Eve to have been physical people, or that the event in Genesis actually happened as written. So how can you argue what was sixth day creations or not?

Um...
because he is not attempting to twist the words around to fit his preconceived notion?

 

[Enoch07]

Um...
because he is not attempting to twist the words around to fit his preconceived notion?

Yes he is.

The simple answer is that Genesis is neither history, nor science. It's theology. "Adam" isn't a literary character, but a literary type.

He does not believe Adam to even have been a person, but instead a literary type. If that is not twisting I do not know what is.

 

[McBell]

Yes he is.


He does not believe Adam to even have been a person, but instead a literary type. If that is not twisting I do not know what is.

 

[Enoch07]

Back to piffy one liners and insults again eh? Why does that not surprise me.

 

[McBell]

Back to piffy one liners again eh? Why does that not surprise me.

Yes, because when someone posts anything longer than a one liner, you get lost in the comprehending of it.