Genesis & Science - Friend or Foe?

[nPeace]

Indeed!

The thing about you guys is that you want people to believe like you, without supportive evidence - blindly. In other words have faith, and exchange good religion for a failed one.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I don't know what you are waiting for that I haven't already given you. So all I can say, is either pay attention, or don't hold your breath.

Exactly. You have given nothing. You made a claim followed by some incomprehensible meandering that basically amounted to your attempt to shed yourself of a burden of proof.

You claim harmony between science and Genesis. It is your job to demonstrate that or we can all continue on as if you said nothing.

 

[QuestioningMind]

No. You are identifying with the theory of evolution, which says that any evidence we find which does not support our conclusion -all life on earth descended from one common ancestor, we must form an opinion which would explain the evidence in such a way so that it can support the conclusion.
Evolution, bang on.

Fossils - the prime evidence, demolished the conclusion for the theory,
You can't accept that though. Politics can be dirty, and those who support it, has one thing to expect. Daniel 2:44
Including those who claim to be on God's side.

Good grief! the Theory of Evolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with determining if there is any evidence for a GLOBAL FLOOD. The geological sciences (which you have ALREADY agreed is 'good science') can find ZERO evidence that any such flood occurred. Just because geologists have never declared A GLOBAL FLOOD NEVER HAPPENED (which is NOT what good science would EVER do) does NOT mean that good science doesn't conflict with the biblical accounts of a global flood.

Your ignorance about science and how it works is simply phenomenal.

 

[nPeace]

Exactly. You have given nothing. You made a claim followed by some incomprehensible meandering that basically amounted to your attempt to shed yourself of a burden of proof.

You claim harmony between science and Genesis. It is your job to demonstrate that or we can all continue on as if you said nothing.

I did. I did not make one post. You are not paying attention.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The thing about you guys is that you want people to believe like you, without supportive evidence - blindly. In other words have faith, and exchange good religion for a failed one.

Projection. Massive PROJECTION.

The evidence points to the conclusions that make up current scientific understanding. It is you that wants your belief to be paramount despite the evidence. Not because of any evidence.

Now you have introduced good and bad religion. I will not hold my breath waiting for an explanation, since it is apparent it is the same one that you have for good and bad science.

 

[nPeace]

Good grief! the Theory of Evolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with determining if there is any evidence for a GLOBAL FLOOD. The geological sciences (which you have ALREADY agreed is 'good science') can find ZERO evidence that any such flood occurred. Just because geologists have never declared A GLOBAL FLOOD NEVER HAPPENED (which is NOT what good science would EVER do) does NOT mean that good science doesn't conflict with the biblical accounts of a global flood.

Your ignorance about science and how it works is simply phenomenal.

Come off the flood already. We passed that.
Last I was speaking about the theory of evolution.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No. You are identifying with the theory of evolution, which says that any evidence we find which does not support our conclusion -all life on earth descended from one common ancestor, we must form an opinion which would explain the evidence in such a way so that it can support the conclusion.
Evolution, bang on.

Fossils - the prime evidence, demolished the conclusion for the theory,
You can't accept that though. Politics can be dirty, and those who support it, has one thing to expect. Daniel 2:44
Including those who claim to be on God's side.

This is all fantasy. A 2nd grader knows more about this than what I am seeing here.

 

[QuestioningMind]

The thing about you guys is that you want people to believe like you, without supportive evidence - blindly. In other words have faith, and exchange good religion for a failed one.

ROFL... let's see, YOU are the one who claims that a biblical flood actually happened... with exactly ZERO supportive evidence. And when good science has concluded that no such evidence exists, you moronically call it 'faith'.

Not only don't you comprehend how science works, you're clearly rather fuzzy on the concept of faith as well.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Come off the flood already. We passed that.
Last I was speaking about the theory of evolution.

Don't hold back. Lay it on us.

 

[nPeace]

Projection. Massive PROJECTION.

Exactly. Millions of years that never happened.

The evidence points to the conclusions that make up current scientific understanding. It is you that wants your belief to be paramount despite the evidence. Not because of any evidence.

Now you have introduced good and bad religion. I will not hold my breath waiting for an explanation, since it is apparent it is the same one that you have for good and bad science.

The evidence supports special creation - without any doubt.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I did. I did not make one post. You are not paying attention.

So it is games again. And you said you did not toy with people. For shame. No false witness remember.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Exactly. Millions of years that never happened.

Another claim that will go unsupported. Are you going for a record?

The evidence supports special creation - without any doubt.

Then provide that evidence and the explanation of it. You can't do it.

You must be going for the record. Another claim with no support.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Come off the flood already. We passed that.
Last I was speaking about the theory of evolution.

ROFL... silly npeace... last you were speaking to ME about was the silly global flood you claim happened... without out any supporting evidence whatsoever. I can understand why you want to move past this subject... since it completely contradicts your moronic claim that Genesis is supported by good science.

Glad we FINALLY got that straight.

 

[nPeace]

So it is games again. And you said you did not toy with people. For shame. No false witness remember.

I'm not writing for children. You are not a child, and you can read. You are not blind either.
If I point you to the post, will you look at it carefully, or will you just skim it, as you did before?
There is no way you could have missed it unless you skimmed.

 

[nPeace]

This is all fantasy. A 2nd grader knows more about this than what I am seeing here.

Oh, now for the personal insults.
Is that because you know that your religious belief - the theory of evolution - has no support whatsoever? I understand how that can hurt. It's not my fault you believe it though.
Insults only say you can't reason. You haven't been able to for the last - how many pages.

Anyway, this is not going anywhere. So have your last go at personal attacks.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm not writing for children. You are not a child, and you can read. You are not blind either.
If I point you to the post, will you look at it carefully, or will you just skim it, as you did before?
There is no way you could have missed it unless you skimmed.

I have read your posts. Where they are not incomprehensible meandering, they say nothing in support of your claims.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Oh, now for the personal insults.
Is that because you know that your religious belief - the theory of evolution - has no support whatsoever? I understand how that can hurt. It's not my fault you believe it though.
Insults only say you can't reason. You haven't been able to for the last - how many pages.

Anyway, this is not going anywhere. So have your last go at personal attacks.

You beat us all to the insults long ago. It is not an insult. It is a statement of fact. Having been a 2nd grader at one time and understanding science, faith and what Genesis says at that age at a level that far exceeds what I have seen from you, I say that with confidence.

Another unsupported claim that you will NEVER support. EVER. You cannot.

Go ahead. Provide a valid, rational, logical argument with evidence that supports your claim. Come on. We do not have all day.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Here is the harmony between science and Genesis.

1. The order of creation in Genesis does not match what has been discovered using science.

2. The origin of plants preceding the sun does not fit with anything known by science.

3. There is no evidence or argument supporting a global flood.

4. The theory and fact of evolution do not agree with the mythology of Genesis. In Genesis, all living things are created in a single event. The evidence supports that life evolved over time from its origin several billion years ago.

5. Nothing supports the origin of the universe, the Earth or life occurring over a 6 day period.

Just one of these is enough to refute the claim that Genesis and science are in harmony. This notion is an attempt to make Genesis a version of history and science that it is not.

 

[Windwalker]

"a good knowledge through higher education"
Isn't that a giveaway? What does higher education have to do with understand the Bible? Are you saying that a person needs higher education to understand the Bible?

A good education makes you aware of many things you don't know about, things which help shed light upon what you are reading, and the meanings you are likely not seeing as a result. It illuminates understanding. That's why. You know more. You see more. You're understanding deepens and widens, and becomes less narrow and rigid.

This is what education does for people. It applies to all areas of life and understanding, religion very much included. These are all good things, that when held properly can grow your religious faith. However, you will lose that "thinking as a child" in concrete literal terms. The world and beliefs will expand as you expand. And that is a very good thing, and a goal of any sincere spiritual path.

 

[nPeace]

Here is the harmony between science and Genesis.

Why didn't you do this, your first post - page 4? Why ten pages after?

1. The order of creation in Genesis does not match what has been discovered using science.

The order of creation is given as a record. The way scientists determine the order of the phyla to create a hypothetical - an evolutionary tree, to support common descent is largely based on opinion on selective organism with similarities, and is not based on the supportive evidence.
Since the conclusion is not arrived at by proper use of the scientific method, it is not good science.

2. The origin of plants preceding the sun does not fit with anything known by science.

I never read in Genesis where plants preceded the sun. I think it is a matter of how one studies, or more specifically, fails to study the Bible, that they arrive at that, but that's my view. Others have theirs.

3. There is no evidence or argument supporting a global flood.

There are many arguments for evidence of a flood. Many ignore this.
What that has to do with science, I don't know, but many disagree that there is no evidence for a flood. So much, that they say the flood did occur, but locally, not global.
However, based on how one sees the geography of the earth and at what period, can influence one's conclusions.

4. The theory and fact of evolution do not agree with the mythology of Genesis. In Genesis, all living things are created in a single event. The evidence supports that life evolved over time from its origin several billion years ago.

The myth of evolution does indeed conflict with the Genesis account. Of course it does, because it's not good science, but the OP says, 'no conflict between the Genesis account, and good science, So that's not a problem.

5. Nothing supports the origin of the universe, the Earth or life occurring over a 6 day period.

Again, in my view, for those who may read the Bible, but not study it, they may well believe that the sis days are very short periods - like 24 hours, but a study of the Bible, evidently does not suggest this, but shows that a creation day was a long period of time.
Though I believe the age of earth assumed by scientists is much shorter, there is no conflict there, since Genesis does not give the age of the earth, which was there long before God said, "Let there be light".

Just one of these is enough to refute the claim that Genesis and science are in harmony. This notion is an attempt to make Genesis a version of history and science that it is not.

There is no attempt in this thread, as assumed here, to make "Genesis a version of history and science".
It is a historical record, which has been referred to throughout generations.
It needs no opinion to verify it.
No one is looking to science for verification either.
That's an absurd idea, imo.

 

[nPeace]

A good education makes you aware of many things you don't know about, things which help shed light upon what you are reading, and the meanings you are likely not seeing as a result. It illuminates understanding. That's why. You know more. You see more. You're understanding deepens and widens, and becomes less narrow and rigid.

This is what education does for people. It applies to all areas of life and understanding, religion very much included. These are all good things, that when held properly can grow your religious faith. However, you will lose that "thinking as a child" in concrete literal terms. The world and beliefs will expand as you expand. And that is a very good thing, and a goal of any sincere spiritual path.

Many people have had a good education without higher education.
There are persons who have had a secondary level education, that have a great IQ, or understanding.

This is the third time in your post, there seem to be some prejudice, or put down, or class distinction on a particular people. These type of biased call for me to exercise a great deal of self control.
I hope your next post won't be making a distinction between the rich being better than the poor