Genetic Code is INFORMATION: Proof of Intelligent Design

[Maponos]

What is the constant need for proof of a deity?

 

[FearGod]

Of course it makes sense that if a random process can come up with "berda" it can come up with "beard" or "bread" too. Why not? Just because the word "berda" doesn't make sense to you but the words "beard" and "bread" does it doesn't mean that the words "beard" and "bread" must have been produced by an intelligence does it?

But for these letters to change positions and for each combinations to
have a specific meaning or job can't be due to randomness.

 

[FearGod]

No difference, the line "evolutionworkbyrandommutations" was randomly produced.

By an intelligent program makes all the difference.

 

[ArtieE]

What is the constant need for proof of a deity?

The same as the constant need for proof of anything. The more we know the more likely we are to be able to survive.

 

[FearGod]

So then they would have to use logic, reason and common sense to show me wrong.

The first logic is to prove to them that a thing can be produced from nothingness,
How things came to existence? explain it in your logic and reasoning and common sense?

 

[ArtieE]

By an intelligent program makes all the difference.

No it doesn't. Just take the letters b and r and a and e and d and put them in a little bag. Empty the bag on a table and from left to right they might spell out "bread" or "beard" or "draeb". No intelligence only randomness required to spell out words that make sense to you.

 

[ArtieE]

The first logic is to prove to them that a thing can be produced from nothingness

Nothing can't produce anything.

How things came to existence?

Something has always existed in some form or other.

 

[FearGod]

No it doesn't. Just take the letters b and r and a and e and d and put them in a little bag. Empty the bag on a table and from left to right they might spell out "bread" or "beard" or "draeb". No intelligence only randomness required to spell out words that make sense to you.

Ask a cat to scramble them in a bag and not you.

 

[jonathan180iq]

No it doesn't. Just take the letters b and r and a and e and d and put them in a little bag. Empty the bag on a table and from left to right they might spell out "bread" or "beard" or "draeb". No intelligence only randomness required to spell out words that make sense to you.

Like throwing a bag of pennies on the floor - no combination of how the pennies align is any more miraculous than another. All combinations are possible until they arrange themselves - the final arrangement then gives an illusion of design and function to anyone looking to explain it.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Ask a cat to scramble them in a bag and not you.

That changes nothing.

Fast forward to about 2:15 and watch how randomness changes into something that looks designed and preferred... This is a natural phenomena - devoid of intelligence or design.

 

[FearGod]

Nothing can't produce anything.

True, something should be always existing

Something has always existed in some form or other.

That's what God is, the eternal thing which is incomparable to anything that we know.

 

[FearGod]

That changes nothing.

Will the cat still do?

 

[ArtieE]

But for these letters to change positions

That would be due to random mutations etc.

and for each combinations to
have a specific meaning or job can't be due to randomness.

They don't have a "specific meaning or job" it's just that due to their natural properties the combination "bread" interacts with other molecules in such a way that a bread is produced and the combination "beard" have different natural properties and interacts with other molecules in such a way that a "beard" is produced. Understand that I'm grossly oversimplifying the process for you to understand the principle.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Will the cat still do?

Sure. If a cat comes by and rips open a bag of "something", eventually you will be able to find a combination of "something" that looks purposeful and intelligently placed because you will find something that you recognize. If you leave that one good combination, and then have the cat do the same action a few hundred times, you'll begin to have a whole collection of things that seem intelligent, or purposeful, or functional. Looking out over all of these purposeful and functional combinations of things, you'll being to wonder... Did my cat create the Universe?

And the answer would still be , no.

 

[ArtieE]

That's what God is, the eternal thing which is incomparable to anything that we know.

I see no reason to name what exists "God" and claim it's "incomparable to anything we know".

 

[ArtieE]

Ask a cat to scramble them in a bag and not you.

Getting desperate are you?

 

[ArtieE]

Will the cat still do?

Are you claiming that if a cat knocks over a scrabble game and some of the letters on the floor should happen to spell out a word that means something to you the cat is God?

 

[FearGod]

That changes nothing.

Fast forward to about 2:15 and watch how randomness changes into something that looks designed and preferred... This is a natural phenomena - devoid of intelligence or design.

And who moves them in nature, in the video a man is doing the job, but
who do it in nature and it doesn't stop but they keep moving for billions of years?

 

[FearGod]

That would be due to random mutations etc.

And the mechanism of changing positions wouldn't happen just arbitrary.

They don't have a "specific meaning or job" it's just that due to their natural properties the combination "bread" interacts with other molecules in such a way that a bread is produced and the combination "beard" have different natural properties and interacts with other molecules in such a way that a "beard" is produced. Understand that I'm grossly oversimplifying the process for you to understand the principle.

And that is the reason that we became humans, natural properties.
The way we feel, the way we think, the way we move ....etc, all are natural properties
which have already to happen for a specific combinations in the DNA.

 

[FearGod]

Sure. If a cat comes by and rips open a bag of "something", eventually you will be able to find a combination of "something" that looks purposeful and intelligently placed because you will find something that you recognize. If you leave that one good combination, and then have the cat do the same action a few hundred times, you'll begin to have a whole collection of things that seem intelligent, or purposeful, or functional. Looking out over all of these purposeful and functional combinations of things, you'll being to wonder... Did my cat create the Universe?

And the answer would still be , no.

So the cat can bring the letters and scramble them in randomness, how is that?