Genetic?

[syo]

peoples sex orientation is not genetic

Bingo!

 

[Watchmen]

instinct would probably lend itself to havin sex once a year haha

Sounds like you have poor instincts. That’s rough. Hang in there.

 

[Watchmen]

You seem to be under the impression that sexual orientation is a simply binary question or that it being purely genetic would automatically render it so but it's much more complex than that. We're all attracted to different types of people and characteristics, and that can even shift over our lives. Research suggests it is a complex and multi-faceted topic, with a combination of inborn factors, upbringing, culture and experiences together determining attraction, with a whole different set of factors influencing behaviour (conscious and subconscious) as a consequence.

Regardless, there is zero evidence of fundamental attraction to other people being a choice. There will be plenty of examples where we're attracted to people when we wouldn't want to be (unrequited love, people already in a relationship, otherwise inappropriate partner, social or legal restrictions etc.) but nobody has ever been able to simple stop being attracted to a person or type of person. We can only choose what we do (or don't do) about it.

If this were college, you just gave a short treatise on sexual orientation for a 400-level class. The OP need orientation 101.

 

[Jimmy]

Bingo!

i deleted that unfinished comment

 

[Twilight Hue]

There are. Is Sexuality a Choice? An Analysis of the Facts and Factors that Influence One’s Sexual Orientation

Problem is, that could lead to medically supported determinism based on genetics and mental disposition that go past sexual orientation.

I can imagine laws in the future based on that, where people can become classified into behavioral groups. That could lead to pre incarceration or segregation based off that, if a person's mental disposition and genetics is conducent with predetermined behavioral traits and is accepted as something that is devoid of free choice for that person.

 

[Heyo]

Problem is, that could lead to medically supported determinism based on genetics and mental disposition that go past sexual orientation.

I can imagine laws in the future based on that, where people can become classified into behavioral groups. That could lead to pre incarceration or segregation based off that, if a person's mental disposition and genetics is conducent with predetermined behavioral traits and is accepted as something that is devoid of free choice for that person.

That would be a choice. Science tells us the facts, what we do with them is up to us.

 

[MikeF]

Problem is, that could lead to medically supported determinism based on genetics and mental disposition that go past sexual orientation.

I can imagine laws in the future based on that, where people can become classified into behavioral groups. That could lead to pre incarceration or segregation based off that, if a person's mental disposition and genetics is conducent with predetermined behavioral traits and is accepted as something that is devoid of free choice for that person.

I disagree. We do not lock up those with mental health issues unless they are a demonstrated danger to themselves or others; we do not preemptively lock up people with a diagnosed disorder. Why would we do so in the future, as you suggest?

In addition, if there is a genetic component to all behavioral aspects, why deny, avoid, or ignore that fact, if it is the case? Why not use that information to help us to better understand the human condition?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I disagree. We do not lock up those with mental health issues unless they are a demonstrated danger to themselves or others; we do not preemptively lock up people with a diagnosed disorder. Why would we do so in the future, as you suggest?

In addition, if there is a genetic component to all behavioral aspects, why deny, avoid, or ignore that fact, if it is the case? Why not use that information to help us to better understand the human condition?

Maybe not now but I see such a future ahead where people are pre- incarcerated for public health and safety reasons based off medical information including mental dispositions.

 

[Heyo]

Maybe not now but I see such a future ahead where people are pre- incarcerated for public health and safety reasons based off medical information including mental dispositions.

I see that possibility, just least in the US. Where people with known and developed conditions can still buy guns it is unlikely that a potential condition based on genetic disposition may lead to pre-emptive incarceration.
What is more likely is that when you apply for a job, your possibility to get that job depends on your genome.

 

[metis]

The more I think about it the more it makes sense that peoples sex orientation is not genetic.

Some research on this at least a decade ago and reported in Scientific American says it seems that about 90% or so is mostly genetic with 10% being experiences, largely negative.

 

[RAYYAN]

That’s the wrong question. It’s not a matter of genetics or choice. It’s a matter of nature or nurture. Science hasn’t cracked that but yet, but I believe the prevailing theory is that it’s some combination of both.

Ok, let me ask this question then,
If something is natural, is it ok to do it, since part of it is a choice?

 

[Jimmy]

I don't understand your argument. Did you consciously choose to be attracted to the people you're attracted to?

i suppose we all make that choice, no? i dont make choices unconsciensely haha

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

its either genetic for all or not genetic for all i would imagine.

i could care less about who people are with I just find this genetic/choice thing interesting at the moment.

If you find the topic interesting, I think it would be worthwhile for you to try and learn something about it. Because your posts so far indicate that you have a very, very poor understanding of the topic of genetics.

 

[HonestJoe]

i suppose we all make that choice, no? i dont make choices unconsciensely haha

No, we don't make a choice about who we're attracted to. If we did, you could just choose to be attracted to someone you're not. Go ahead and try that, just for a little while. Let us know how it works out for you.

And we do all make subconscious decisions all the time. Most of our decisions are subconscious, we'd go insane constantly considering the vast range of the input from our senses all the time.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, we don't make a choice about who we're attracted to. If we did, you could just choose to be attracted to someone you're not. Go ahead and try that, just for a little while. Let us know how it works out for you.

And we do all make subconscious decisions all the time. Most of our decisions are subconscious, we'd go insane constantly considering the vast range of the input from our senses all the time.

Do pedophiles and necrophiliacs fit in that category?

 

[HonestJoe]

Do pedophiles and necrophiliacs fit in that category?

Typically, yes. Many people who have those attractions certainly don't want to, and plenty don't act on them. They clearly can't simply choose to change their attractions though, otherwise they would.

 

[MikeF]

Maybe not now but I see such a future ahead where people are pre- incarcerated for public health and safety reasons based off medical information including mental dispositions.

I don't see pre-incarceration in the future. Certainly, I think if we become better at understanding more detail in the factors that contribute to behavior, we will also develop ways to mitigate problems and hence avoid incarceration.

I do think there should be some concern about discrimination based on genetic evaluation. Just as people now can be pigeon-holed or limited based on standardized testing or personality surveys, no policy criteria should rest solely on genetic testing.

 

[Watchmen]

Ok, let me ask this question then,
If something is natural, is it ok to do it, since part of it is a choice?

Some things yes. Some things no. Let me ask you a question. Since you’re a “proud Muslim,” do you hate gays?

 

[Watchmen]

i suppose we all make that choice, no? i dont make choices unconsciensely haha

It’s not a choice, friend. You are attracted to someone and you don’t get to choose if you are or not. If attraction was a choice then you could spontaneously decide whether someone was attractive or not. That’s not how it works.

 

[RAYYAN]

Some things yes. Some things no. Let me ask you a question. Since you’re a “proud Muslim,” do you hate gays?

I don't hate people as long as what they do doesn't affect me
If they do good that is for them, if they do bad, that is for them too
But, of course, I hate what they are doing, and I don't agree with it.

Now, for gays, it is becoming not enough for them for people to leave them alone in what they do, they are asking people to accept it and promote it
No, I am not going to accept it, but, I don't also go out and prevent gays of being gays