Genuine Witchcraft, Sorcery, Necromancy, etc.

[Draka]

I don't understand what you mean. Maybe it makes sense to others.

I was reading about ancient artifacts from witchcraft in the time of Jesus. People used to bury miniature lead dolls with requests for dead spirits near wells. They believed that spring water came from the underworld, so that was the place to contact dead spirits and ask them for favors. The favor was typically men who wanted a woman to love them.

I don't see how this modern idea of spells can be called spells. We shouldn't hijack words and use them in new ways. (Of course that always happens, but I'm just saying we shouldn't do that too much )

Using objects to focus energy is commonplace with witchcraft actually. It is like a concentrated focused prayer in a way. To use ritual, words, objects to focus your spell's purpose and desire, to put your energy into something towards a goal is the simplest definition of a spell.

 

[Draka]

I don't know, should I concern myself with your ability to talk to dead people? I just think these things are interesting to talk about.

I just wondered why you thought the position espoused in the bible made, or should make, any difference to me. If it was just for curiosity's sake, then now you know. It makes no difference to me.

It's not really what "some people want to call it" it is the actual defintion of the word. It's a very common word.

necromancy
noun nec·ro·man·cy \ˈne-krə-ˌman(t)-sē\
: the practice of talking to the spirits of dead people
: the use of magic powers especially for evil purposes
Full Definition of NECROMANCY
1: conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events
2: magic, sorcery

I've just always considered it divination. If that kind of divination is considered necromancy, so be it. I just don't connect with the usage of the word really due to the connotation it has with "evil". I simply don't hold communicating with spirits to be bad in any way.

 

[Demonslayer]

Using objects to focus energy is commonplace with witchcraft actually. It is like a concentrated focused prayer in a way. To use ritual, words, objects to focus your spell's purpose and desire, to put your energy into something towards a goal is the simplest definition of a spell.

In this way it sounds like meditation more than anything. I participate in crossfit competitions and prior to competing I spend time isolated and focusing my energy towards the goal of doing well in the competition.

One time I was concentrating so hard, one of my competitors turned into a toad. j/k

 

[Demonslayer]

I just wondered why you thought the position espoused in the bible made, or should make, any difference to me. If it was just for curiosity's sake, then now you know. It makes no difference to me.

I don't believe in supernatural things so it's hard to understand the various scopes of what people believe. Many people who believe in talking to the dead believe there are dangers associated with such communication. That it can leave you open to the influences of angry spirits and whatnot. You seem to believe there is no such danger.

 

[Draka]

In this way it sounds like meditation more than anything. I participate in crossfit competitions and prior to competing I spend time isolated and focusing my energy towards the goal of doing well in the competition.

One time I was concentrating so hard, one of my competitors turned into a toad. j/k

Those darn accidental toad turnings are awful aren't they? Hate when that happens.

 

[Demonslayer]

Those darn accidental toad turnings are awful aren't they? Hate when that happens.

Yeah you have to be careful!

 

[Draka]

I don't believe in supernatural things so it's hard to understand the various scopes of what people believe. Many people who believe in talking to the dead believe there are dangers associated with such communication. That it can leave you open to the influences of angry spirits and whatnot. You seem to believe there is no such danger.

Truly depends on what spirit you are contacting and what, if any, precautions you have taken. Spirits, like live people, vary. If you think about it like most people, in general, are decent enough, then most spirits are as well.

 

[viole]

Truly depends on what spirit you are contacting and what, if any, precautions you have taken. Spirits, like live people, vary. If you think about it like most people, in general, are decent enough, then most spirits are as well.

Last time I contacted the spirit of Einstein through a certified medium, I had the impression the spirit had no clue about the theory of relativity.

Do you think another spirit interfered? A sort of spiritual identity theft?

Ciao

- viole

 

[picnic]

Using objects to focus energy is commonplace with witchcraft actually. It is like a concentrated focused prayer in a way. To use ritual, words, objects to focus your spell's purpose and desire, to put your energy into something towards a goal is the simplest definition of a spell.

I assume Jews and Christians would say that prayers differ from spells because the request is made to God as opposed to Joe Spirit?

 

[Draka]

Last time I contacted the spirit of Einstein through a certified medium, I had the impression the spirit had no clue about the theory of relativity.

Do you think another spirit interfered? A sort of spiritual identity theft?

Ciao

- viole

While it does happen that some spirits may impersonate others and that could have been the case, it also seems to be the case that spirits don't tend to hold on to certain information of exact nature. That is, their focus is not so much on the physical anymore anyway. Emotions, ties to others, concern, general information can be often accessed, but ask a spirit what 7x15 is and you wont get much. It simply isn't that important to them to retain. It's the important things, spiritual and emotional wisdom/experiences that seem to be more held on to. At least, that's been my experience.

 

[Draka]

I assume Jews and Christians would say that prayers differ from spells because the request is made to God as opposed to Joe Spirit?

Who says that spells don't go to God/Goddess/gods? If one believes that the Divine is, itself, a living energy that flows through all, that the gods themselves are manifestations of aspects of that Divine, then all spells go to/through it. But, yeah, in a way those of the Abrahamic beliefs tend to think that way it seems. They don't see using the Rosary as a tool for spellwork. They don't see prayer in large groups as spellwork (as covens often do). They don't see taking communion as a form of spellwork. Or baptism, or even saying Hail Marys. They don't see all the many things they do where they use objects and ritual and prayer in force as spellwork. Though those are the things many witches themselves would categorize under that heading. Since they are doing it for "God" though...it's just different.

 

[viole]

While it does happen that some spirits may impersonate others and that could have been the case, it also seems to be the case that spirits don't tend to hold on to certain information of exact nature. That is, their focus is not so much on the physical anymore anyway. Emotions, ties to others, concern, general information can be often accessed, but ask a spirit what 7x15 is and you wont get much. It simply isn't that important to them to retain. It's the important things, spiritual and emotional wisdom/experiences that seem to be more held on to. At least, that's been my experience.

Ok. For a moment I thought Einstein forgot everything he discovered. Which would be sad.

But I have a question. Emotions, ties to others, concern, general information, seem to be available to every spirit, and human being. Including the medium.

How do I know that I am communicating with the right spirit if they all share the same set of general knowledge, especially when its nature is not exact?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Demonslayer]

If one believes that the Divine is, itself, a living energy that flows through all,

Sounds Force-y and Jedi-ish.

 

[Draka]

Ok. For a moment I thought Einstein forgot everything he discovered. Which would be sad.

But I have a question. Emotions, ties to others, concern, general information, seem to be available to every spirit, and human being. Including the medium.

How do I know that I am communicating with the right spirit if they all share the same set of general knowledge, especially when its nature is not exact?

Ciao

- viole

Usually through an emotional or familial tie. I don't tend to try to contact anyone I, or someone with me, doesn't have some knowledge directly about personally, or knowledge of a personal nature we are both connected to. Usually a question that only they would know the answer to, something personal or familial related, is a good thing to try. The more specific the better. But, you know, even contacting a random spirit who just wants to chat is fine sometimes. I've found that some just miss interaction with this world and just want to interact. Just my experience though.

 

[Demonslayer]

But, you know, even contacting a random spirit who just wants to chat is fine sometimes.

It's like a spooky version of Tinder.

 

[Draka]

Sounds Force-y and Jedi-ish.

Actually, it's a belief held by many. That the Divine is the living energy that flows through all life and is where our "sparks" of spirit come from in the first place. That we are all connected to it and each other. may sound "hippy dippy" to some, but hey, that is the general idea.

 

[Draka]

It's like a spooky version of Tinder.

I don't recommend getting dates like that though. First it's all "So, you like dead people huh?" and then your knick knacks are spelling out "I love you" on the coffee table.

 

[viole]

Usually through an emotional or familial tie. I don't tend to try to contact anyone I, or someone with me, doesn't have some knowledge directly about personally, or knowledge of a personal nature we are both connected to. Usually a question that only they would know the answer to, something personal or familial related, is a good thing to try. The more specific the better. But, you know, even contacting a random spirit who just wants to chat is fine sometimes. I've found that some just miss interaction with this world and just want to interact. Just my experience though.

If interaction with other spirits is not enough, and spirits need to interact with not spirits, that does not bode well when we all will be spirits.

I wonder if it is not the other way round. We want to interact with them, somehow.

Don't you think it is more plausible?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Duplicate

 

[Demonslayer]

may sound "hippy dippy" to some, but hey, that is the general idea.

Funny, my friend is a spiritual person with beliefs along these lines and when she refers to herself as religious I always say "yeah, but it's that hippy-dippy religion, not REAL religion" just to get her riled up.

Overall I tend to prefer hippy-dippy ideas over more 'traditional' monotheism. I still think it's all wishful thinking and creation of human imagination, but I find nothing to like at all about the angry hell-fire God while there is plenty to like about the 'we're all connected by a life force' sort of idea.