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Geography and religion

Riders

Well-Known Member
So I saw a video done by an atheist talk about Christianity as a fraud.

They made some statements at the beginning of the video on geography O hasn't thought of before.

He said that if your Christian there are other religions that are located in different countries such as the Muslims in the middle east who also claim to be the only true religion.

He said that the reason because that's their culture where they live is Muslim state. In others many of us join our religions because of our culture we live in America so Christianity is what we were taught a lot of us.

So it's chosen by us not because we choose to believe it we just think we do it's an American religion the biggest so most of us are Christians.

So how can our religion be any different then theirs.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
In actuality the Main Jewish God, Muslim God and Christian God are one in the same. It is in the specific's that the religions are different. What god wants and what god provides. Even in the christian religions across the United States you will find they differ is what god wants and what god provides. Perhaps there is one God and he only asks for what you can provide locally and only gives what you want locally.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So I saw a video done by an atheist talk about Christianity as a fraud.

They made some statements at the beginning of the video on geography O hasn't thought of before.

He said that if your Christian there are other religions that are located in different countries such as the Muslims in the middle east who also claim to be the only true religion.

He said that the reason because that's their culture where they live is Muslim state. In others many of us join our religions because of our culture we live in America so Christianity is what we were taught a lot of us.

So it's chosen by us not because we choose to believe it we just think we do it's an American religion the biggest so most of us are Christians.

So how can our religion be any different then theirs.
I agree 90% are born into their Religion, but some will want confirmation they are on the right path. (Most will just follow blindly) The 10% will seek truth and change religions.


In actuality the Main Jewish God, Muslim God and Christian God are one in the same. It is in the specific's that the religions are different. What god wants and what god provides. Even in the christian religions across the United States you will find they differ is what god wants and what god provides. Perhaps there is one God and he only asks for what you can provide locally and only gives what you want locally.

Correct same God.

The Jews started to follow their Rabbis, and the oral traditions. For this reason their Rabbis take precedent over the Torah.
Jesus pbuh was sent to bring them back to the Torah, the Jews mostly rejected him, and the Gentiles made a new religion about Jesus pbuh. Muhammad pbuh was sent to correct both religions, and they mostly rejected him too.

Chapter 2 of the Qur'an is 286 verses long. the first half talks about the Jews, and we know the Jews were in rebellion, which is why in verse 143 (the Middle verse) God tells the Muslims, they are to be a Middle Nation. The second half of the Chapter is about the Muslims. This is when the Jews realised God had turned his back on them.

They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners. Qur'an 9:31

 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
So I saw a video done by an atheist talk about Christianity as a fraud.

They made some statements at the beginning of the video on geography O hasn't thought of before.

He said that if your Christian there are other religions that are located in different countries such as the Muslims in the middle east who also claim to be the only true religion.

He said that the reason because that's their culture where they live is Muslim state. In others many of us join our religions because of our culture we live in America so Christianity is what we were taught a lot of us.

So it's chosen by us not because we choose to believe it we just think we do it's an American religion the biggest so most of us are Christians.

So how can our religion be any different then theirs.

Seems to be a lot of leeway even within a specific religion as to specifics about God and how to worship. Christianity has a wide gamut of ideology. Islam seems to have numerous views as well.

So yes being raised a Christian may incline you to be more likely Christian than Muslim but that doesn't mean you're going to have the same beliefs as your parents.

There's a huge variety ideology available before one needs to step outside of their "religion".
 

The Holy Bottom Burp

Active Member
They made some statements at the beginning of the video on geography I haven't thought of before..

Sure, it is remarkable that people in the same geographic locations tend to have similar opinions and beliefs. Almost as though people are influenced by those in their own particular culture...

Join the dots people!
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Sure, it is remarkable that people in the same geographic locations tend to have similar opinions and beliefs. Almost as though people are influenced by those in their own particular culture...

Join the dots people!

I agree with you.However the debate for Christians is are Christian because you choose Jesus as Lord as you guys say you do:

Or do you choose to be Christian because you were raised that way.

The other criticism is that Christians claim to be the only religion with the truth.Truth is there's a bunch of other religions who the same exact thing in different countries because of their culture too.

So what is unique or makes Christianity any. Different then any other religion or culture?
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
So it's chosen by us not because we choose to believe it we just think we do it's an American religion the biggest so most of us are Christians.
The fact other religious systems predominate in other parts of the world says nothing about the truth of falsity of Christianity.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
This is why it is so important to be born in the right place. Choose carefully, because your eternal soul depends on it.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
So I saw a video done by an atheist talk about Christianity as a fraud.

They made some statements at the beginning of the video on geography O hasn't thought of before.

He said that if your Christian there are other religions that are located in different countries such as the Muslims in the middle east who also claim to be the only true religion.

He said that the reason because that's their culture where they live is Muslim state. In others many of us join our religions because of our culture we live in America so Christianity is what we were taught a lot of us.

So it's chosen by us not because we choose to believe it we just think we do it's an American religion the biggest so most of us are Christians.

So how can our religion be any different then theirs.

That's extremely ironic coming from atheists- in a world where the vast majority of free thinking humanity chooses faith in God by their own free will

Not so of course in historic atheist strongholds like North Korea, Communist China, USSR. etc which rely on extreme oppression of any belief other than atheism to make it stick

And where freedom is returning to atheist states, so too is faith
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
The fact other religious systems predominate in other parts of the world says nothing about the truth of falsity of Christianity.

I agree with you Christianity is a fraud.However it's just another facet of the religion and any religion that claims to be the only one.You can claim it but sense there are many religions in other countries claiming the same thing there's no way to it.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
I agree with you Christianity is a fraud.
I said nothing of the sort.

However it's just another facet of the religion and any religion that claims to be the only one.
Any belief that isn't built on the trivial is necessarily exclusive.

You can claim it but sense there are many religions in other countries claiming the same thing there's no way to it.
A claim is true or false no matter how, why or how many people may or may not believe in it. Jesus Christ either resurrected from the dead or He did not, it's either true and false, pointing out that Hinduism is culturally predominant in India is irrelevant to the question.

Your augment boils down to this:
  • In other parts of the world people believe in different things, therefore your beliefs must be false if they claim exclusivity.
Sorry, but that's awful reasoning.

You could claim that Christianity is hard to accept simply on the basis of its exclusivity as other religions make similar claims, but you can't claim that Christianity is false on that basis alone. That doesn't follow.
 
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Riders

Well-Known Member
I said nothing of the sort.


Any belief that isn't built on the trivial is necessarily exclusive.


A claim is true or false no matter how, why or how many people may or may not believe in it. Jesus Christ either resurrected from the dead or He did not, it's either true and false, pointing out that Hinduism is culturally predominant in India is irrelevant to the question.

Your augment boils down to this:
  • In other parts of the world people believe in different things, therefore your beliefs must be false if they claim exclusivity.
Sorry, but that's awful reasoning.

You could claim that Christianity is hard to accept simply on the basis of its exclusivity as other religions make similar claims, but you can't claim that Christianity is false on that basis alone. That doesn't follow.
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I'm not claiming it's false. This thread wss not put up here to find out if Christianity is true or false.

All I'm saying is that this is for any religion if you think your the only ones look around you.There are many religions just like yours who claim to be the only one.

Some people join their religion whatever it is because of what they grew up in. So do we have free will when it comes to religion have you thought about that.

If were all reacting to our culture and choosing the religion of our geographical culture do we really have free will or are we brainwashed?

Have you thought about that?
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
I'm not claiming it's false. This thread wss not put up here to find out if Christianity is true or false.
Not directly, but the take home message you'd like the readers of this thread to take is that Christianity is untrue.

All I'm saying is that this is for any religion if you think your the only ones look around you.There are many religions just like yours who claim to be the only one.
If other religious were just like mine then your augment would be utterly nonsensical. The point is that our beliefs are not the same.

Yes other religions (notably Islam) claim exclusivity but that doesn't mean anything in regards to the claims Christianity makes.


Some people join their religion whatever it is because of what they grew up in. So do we have free will when it comes to religion have you thought about that.
Yes, we do. Obviously our beliefs are influenced by our cultural contexts, but that doesn't detract from our own ability to think about and evaluate claims.

If were all reacting to our culture and choosing the religion of our geographical culture do we really have free will or are we brainwashed?
If growing up in a particular cultural contexts is paramount to brainwashing, then you are as hopelessly brainwashed as I am. It's begging the question to limit this brainwashing to only religious beliefs.

Further Christianity isn't constrained to Europe and the Americas, it's not even native to them. There are very few places in the world without a Christian presence. (Although there are various parties who are determined to change that) Now, the question on how God will deal with those innocently outside the visible Church will be for Him to determine. God is never unjust, no one will go to Hell by ignorance alone. God isn't blind to the realities of individual circumstance.

Have you thought about that?
Obviously.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The core issue IMO is that there are several and very unlike ways of technically adhering to a "religion" (I will favor calling them doctrines, because I reserve the word religion for living, constructive teachings), and for various reasons people often go out of their way not to ackonwledge the rather different meanings and consequences of same.

The matter is confused, to a large extent it is so deliberately if not always maliciously.

Two common situations may help to show why.


1. Many parents simply presume or even demand their own children to automatically adhere to the same doctrine that they adopted (or, more likely, were raised into themselves).

That is very common, and neither quite as harmless as many people think nor quite as inexcusable as it may appear at first. It is not always even avoidable.

As a matter of fact, what that means exactly (including how invasive and abusive it is) will vary a lot even among siblings who happen to nominally follow the exact same doctrine. People can't help but develop and pass along some form of values and a vocabulary and set of ideas to discuss them. Those may be maintream or fringe, rigid or situational, harmonious or abusive, emphasized or dehumanizing and abusive. Many or perhaps all permutations are possible, even within a single family.

Come to think of it, this may well be the origin of the expression "lip service".

To some extent that is in fact a good thing, but there is very much a downside. A surprisingly high number of parents and relatives seem to be literally unable of accepting that actual beliefs may diverge from their expectations. All too often that actually develops into a cultural expectation for avoiding the subject entirely unless the terrain is well known to begin with. A very common situation here in Brazil, where mentioning one's beliefs uninvited is considered slightly rude.



2. Sometimes couples who want to marry are encouraged / pressured into making some form of accomodation for the doctrinary expectations of each other and their own families.

That, I am told, is a thorny matter for the Jewish People, who seem to be rather divided on the matter.

Again, this is neither quite harmless nor quite avoidable. If nothing else, there is the significant argument that sharing a measure of common doctrine is necessary for people to have the means of learning how to communicate with each other and how to deal with each other's expectations and needs. Parents-in-law, at the very least, will usually need some notion of what the newcomers to the family value and seek. I can't help but acknowledge that it is a legitimate need.

Whether that must translate into actual conversion, how reciprocal it is supposed to be, and how much accomodation should be made to genuine lack of interest and of compatibility with the doctrines is, as should be clear, not always easy to decide. Even raising the matter explicitly can be disruptive in many families.

There often a dilemma there, one that can be very difficult in some families. And it interacts strongly with the previous example, in that a family that may have settled for some protocol of handling their matters of belief may well find that protocol disturbed or even destroyed by the addition of a new person who may not easily accomodate to previous expectations.


A flip side also exists: adherence to a religion is to a large degree the effort to establish meaningful links to other people, and that includes learning values, vocabulary and protocol for expressing and developing those links. And, of course, the health of those links will correlate very strongly to how capable the people involved are of expressing, listening and being respectful to their differences of beliefs and values.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
"And the myth became the reality." -- Joseph Campbell.

IOW, it's improper to call any religion a "fraud" because the importance is in the teachings.
 
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