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Georgetown Islamic studies professor defends slavery and rape

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Georgetown Professor Jonathan Brown Defends Slavery as Moral and Rape as Normal in Virginia Lecture

The Right defends white supremacy, the Left defends Islamic supremacy. A lot of these Islamic study programs receive millions of dollars in funding from the Gulf states.

So much for Leftist academia, imagine if he was defending Christianity the same way?
Heresay. That's where one hears and says without criticism. That is definitely bipartisan!!!! We can all agree mindlessly repeating things that are said because we agree with what is said is liberal and conservative and is In fact normal!!! Investigate the story it's like fundemental especially in internet la la la la land.
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist

Not surprising in any way whatsoever.
When crappy people are given the chance to exploit something, they do it.
If anything, he made quite a few people actually contemplate the reasons they are naturally opposed to his beliefs.

Thanks for at least that, I guess.

The Right defends white supremacy, the Left defends Islamic supremacy. A lot of these Islamic study programs receive millions of dollars in funding from the Gulf states.

So much for Leftist academia, imagine if he was defending Christianity the same way?

Meh, I don't bother to follow that stuff.
It all comes down to the quality of the person, imo.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Georgetown Professor Jonathan Brown Defends Slavery as Moral and Rape as Normal in Virginia Lecture

The Right defends white supremacy, the Left defends Islamic supremacy. A lot of these Islamic study programs receive millions of dollars in funding from the Gulf states.

So much for Leftist academia, imagine if he was defending Christianity the same way?

Clearly the guy is a imbecile, but to suggest that his thoughts somehow reflect the "the left" as a whole is asinine.
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Interesting how you had nothing to say about this academic and his defense of slavery and rape, but picked on that.

Oh. I think that's reprehensible.

I thought that was a given. Most people have a basic sense of common decency, and don't allow their political opinions to blind them to obvious moral truths.

Sorry I made that assumption.
 

Electus de Lumine

Magician of Light

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Clearly the guy is a imbecile....
The author or the Prof?
I ask because if the author accurately represented the lecture, the Prof would be nuts.
But the author (cabdriver Umar Lee) has rather shrill leftish politics, & migtht be mischaracterizing what he heard.
 
Georgetown Professor Jonathan Brown Defends Slavery as Moral and Rape as Normal in Virginia Lecture

The Right defends white supremacy, the Left defends Islamic supremacy. A lot of these Islamic study programs receive millions of dollars in funding from the Gulf states.

So much for Leftist academia, imagine if he was defending Christianity the same way?

Why is it leftist academia? He's a Muslim.

I quite like Jonathan Brown, he is a cut above the average Muslim apologist in defending the Islamic tradition from an academic perspective. I often don't agree with him, but he's usually pretty interesting and I like to hear alternative views on Islamic history to balance out the other sources I read/hear.

I've no idea about what he said in this discussion, but he can be pretty matter of fact and tends to adopt the approach of 'the past doesn't always reflect 21st C Western morality'. For example, he will acknowledge that tradition states Muhammad married Aisha when she was very young, but will point out that this was normal in the past and didn't even become a topic of criticism for anti-Muslim figures until 100 or so years ago.

I'd like to see what he said in context before rushing to judgement, as he can be quite easy to misrepresent.
 

MD

qualiaphile
Why is it leftist academia? He's a Muslim.

I quite like Jonathan Brown, he is a cut above the average Muslim apologist in defending the Islamic tradition from an academic perspective. I often don't agree with him, but he's usually pretty interesting and I like to hear alternative views on Islamic history to balance out the other sources I read/hear.

I've no idea about what he said in this discussion, but he can be pretty matter of fact and tends to adopt the approach of 'the past doesn't always reflect 21st C Western morality'. For example, he will acknowledge that tradition states Muhammad married Aisha when she was very young, but will point out that this was normal in the past and didn't even become a topic of criticism for anti-Muslim figures until 100 or so years ago.

I'd like to see what he said in context before rushing to judgement, as he can be quite easy to misrepresent.

Non scientific academics are generally leftists. He is a Muslim convert and his department has received considerable funding from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. A Saudi prince alone donated $20 million dollars. It is an attempt by those countries to rewrite history to suit their agenda. Unlike science, a lot of social science can be twisted to suit agendas.

If he can defend rape, slavery and child molestation from 'another angle', then how can we even say those things are bad? How is he even a professor? He should be fired and disgraced. Would he defend the mass rapes happening in the Middle East right now? Would you say that you find it interesting if he did?

The problem with many people is that they don't realize that the world is not peace, the world is a competition of ideas and will. The Russians, the Gulf states, the Chinese and most of all the Americans are all trying to push their own ideas, history and culture of other states. This is either through war or subterfuge.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
In regards to the OP, there is a tendency nowadays to white-wash Islamic history and practices in the confused muddle of moral relativism. My guess is that this is a conscious push-back against perceived Islamophobia and is intended to show why those who have concerns with Islam are so very dangerous. It's all peace, love and beards... even to a sex-slave...
 
If he can defend rape, slavery and child molestation from 'another angle', then how can we even say those things are bad? How is he even a professor? He should be fired and disgraced. Would he defend the mass rapes happening in the Middle East right now? Would you say that you find it interesting if he did?

Putting things into historical contexts is very different from defending in the sense of 'therefore this is ok today'.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Putting things into historical contexts is very different from defending in the sense of 'therefore this is ok today'.
While true, painting it in even slightly favorable terms is more than a little disingenuous and speaks to a larger narrative.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
I love how ideologues love to blur and move the lines when it comes to trying to cover for the inconsistencies in their own ideology, but require a razor sharp, rigid line between black and white when it comes to other people's views.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The articles claims are odd.
- Georgetown is currently apologizing for links between its origins & slavery.
Student activists announce sit-in in President DeGioia’s office, call for name change to Mulledy Hall
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us/slaves-georgetown-university.html?_r=0
- If a prof there had clearly defended slavery, this would pose great conflict with the university.
But a quick perusal of the internet doesn't show anything other than the OP's linked article.
- Georgetown is a prominent school situated in a hotbed of liberalism (in DC).
It has many female students. Where is their protest of a prof justifying rape?
 
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