Ghosts?

[Fredcow9]

What's your take on ghosts? Are they real? Imaginary? Could there be a different explanation for them than what's commonly believed? Are they demons? Angels? A discrepancy in time, since time may not actually exist?

Between the writings of jaques valee (I may have totally butchered that!) and aliester crowley its pretty clear they are just demons trying to keep man distracted or in fear. People fall into really just 2 categories, they become obsessed with them or they live in fear of them. Very much akin to the whole alien phenomena we see going on today and really in history. Jaque concluded these are beings that dont physically travel (hes a well decorated scientist and author) and crowley concluded the same except he put them on a worship and aiding pedestal. Its no accident that the nazis who used to summon spirits for aid carried that on in Americas space program. Just sayin

 

[Runewolf1973]

Between the writings of jaques valee (I may have totally butchered that!) and aliester crowley its pretty clear they are just demons trying to keep man distracted or in fear. People fall into really just 2 categories, they become obsessed with them or they live in fear of them. Very much akin to the whole alien phenomena we see going on today and really in history. Jaque concluded these are beings that dont physically travel (hes a well decorated scientist and author) and crowley concluded the same except he put them on a worship and aiding pedestal. Its no accident that the nazis who used to summon spirits for aid carried that on in Americas space program. Just sayin

Funny... The spirits I've had the opportunity of communicating with say there are no such things as angels, demons, or gods as far as they are aware of. There are however creatures that inhabit that spirit realm and tend to stay in that realm. They can be easily mistaken as demons and some even try to act the part and even scare people. Neither myself, nor my girlfriend are obsessed, nor do we fear them. For us they are simply another side of reality that we accept. Whether others accept it or not is of little consequence to us.

 

[Fredcow9]

Funny... The spirits I've had the opportunity of communicating with say there are no such things as angels, demons, or gods as far as they are aware of. There are however creatures that inhabit that spirit realm and tend to stay in that realm. They can be easily mistaken as demons and some even try to act the part and even scare people. Neither myself, nor my girlfriend are obsessed, nor do we fear them. For us they are simply another side of reality that we accept. Whether others accept it or not is of little consequence to us.

Well my friend, I dont know your personal journey and all however it might suite you well to read up on the book of the dead, book of the law ect. Crowley was a very well decorated spirit summoner, as far as Im aware there is certainly no coincidence that crowley summoned lam who by his own painting in the early 1900s looks very similar to what most would consider an alien being. Tieing that into valees research really gives a great perspective on the matter. Its really no wonder pentagrams used to be drawn on the inside of rockets at jbl. What makes you think the spirits you interact with are trustworthy anyway? Also just as a last tid bit, I dont think an escaped convict would reveal his true self when trying to seek refuge from another.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Well my friend, I dont know your personal journey and all however it might suite you well to read up on the book of the dead, book of the law ect. Crowley was a very well decorated spirit summoner, as far as Im aware there is certainly no coincidence that crowley summoned lam who by his own painting in the early 1900s looks very similar to what most would consider an alien being. Tieing that into valees research really gives a great perspective on the matter. Its really no wonder pentagrams used to be drawn on the inside of rockets at jbl. What makes you think the spirits you interact with are trustworthy anyway? Also just as a last tid bit, I dont think an escaped convict would reveal his true self when trying to seek refuge from another.

Not all the spirits we have interacted with have been trustworthy, or friendly for that matter. There are really only a few that we know of who are trustworthy. Of one of those few, his name is Andrew and he is about the equivalent of a grim reaper. Not in a bad way though. His job or his calling is to help the confused or lost spirits of the newly deceased find their way in that realm. He especially works with the spirits of children who have died and are generally quite at a loss. He is extremely compassionate and helpful. My girlfriend does not have to perform fancy magic tricks or speak latin to summon these entities, they come to her. Why? Because they know she can see them. They come looking for help. She usually can't help them though, so Andrew will come and get them. There are many like him though.


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[Stephen Dedalus]

That sounds like schizophrenia, this is different. This is not simply hearing voices or seeing illusions. She can make them go away if she wants to. She simply tells them to go away and they listen to her. She sees dead people. She sees people who have been in car accidents, or burning buildings, or people who have commited suicide or have been murdered. How she knows this is because she can see the actual wounds or trauma associated with their deaths...missing body parts or disfigured faces, or even those impaled with objects protruding fom them. She knows when people have died from car accidents in certain locations because she can actually see them standing along the sides of the highway or by intersections. When we are outdoors and far away from civilization she does not see them or hear them and that is because there are no human spirits way out in the woods anyways. She does not see them in graveyards, or at least very rarely. She found out her best friend in school had committed suicide, not because someone told her, but because she was actually visited by her friends ghost.

I can't know what is in her mind, I just tell you that she's a stimable person because live surrounded by ghosts is sure very hard. But you already know.

 

[Fredcow9]

Not all the spirits we have interacted with have been trustworthy, or friendly for that matter. There are really only a few that we know of who are trustworthy. Of one of those few, his name is Andrew and he is about the equivalent of a grim reaper. Not in a bad way though. His job or his calling is to help the confused or lost spirits of the newly deceased find their way in that realm. He especially works with the spirits of children who have died and are generally quite at a loss. He is extremely compassionate and helpful. My girlfriend does not have to perform fancy magic tricks or speak latin to summon these entities, they come to her. Why? Because they know she can see them. They come looking for help. She usually can't help them though, so Andrew will come and get them. There are many like him though.


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Well my friend I will pray today that you or your girlfriend wont have contact with these spirits for 3 days starting tomorrow that you will know they are indeed unclean spirits that recognize Christ as the master. If not then consider to continue in the ways you are now with these spirits.
Aliester crowley routinely talked to the dead in the same manner. It was in order to talk to specific spirits that he did such rituals and opened portals.
I will tell you 100% there is no spirit that needs a persons help.
Again theres a reason why the government found spirit summoning useful.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Well my friend I will pray today that you or your girlfriend wont have contact with these spirits for 3 days starting tomorrow that you will know they are indeed unclean spirits that recognize Christ as the master. If not then consider to continue in the ways you are now with these spirits.
Aliester crowley routinely talked to the dead in the same manner. It was in order to talk to specific spirits that he did such rituals and opened portals.
I will tell you 100% there is no spirit that needs a persons help.
Again theres a reason why the government found spirit summoning useful.

There are many spirits that need help, she just can't always help them. There have been a few that she has helped simply by calling on Andrew to come and take them. He helps those spirits find their way so they can cross over back into the land of the living. There was a spirit of a 3 year old boy that was roaming around our house this one time. The poor soul didn't know where he was or how he got there. He was just lost, alone, and afraid. Andrew came for him.

 

[Fredcow9]

I do t hold to the idea a spirit is lost. A 3 year old boy has no idea whats going on in life so it wouldnt know its lost. Also why would a 3 year olds spirit manifest him only at 3 years old? The physical has nothing to do with the spiritual.
Angelic beings can be whatever they want. All a demon indicates is an fallen angel. There are plenty of evidences inside christianity and even outside of it.
This is why I ask what reproof these spirits offer for their authenticity or even that there is no "show" being put on so to speak

 

[Runewolf1973]

I do t hold to the idea a spirit is lost. A 3 year old boy has no idea whats going on in life so it wouldnt know its lost. Also why would a 3 year olds spirit manifest him only at 3 years old? The physical has nothing to do with the spiritual.
Angelic beings can be whatever they want. All a demon indicates is an fallen angel. There are plenty of evidences inside christianity and even outside of it.
This is why I ask what reproof these spirits offer for their authenticity or even that there is no "show" being put on so to speak

Spirits can manifest at any age. Age does not matter. Many can be lost or confused...especially the ones who search endlessly for a God that isn't there, a God they expected would be there but they never find. As far as the spirits are concened, they don't believe there even is such a thing as God. They say they have never encountered one. The physical has everything to do with the spiritual, in fact it is ALL physical. There are no "fallen angels". Fallen from what? There is no heaven, no hell. It is only what you make of it. There are however benevolent and there are malevolent spirits, good ones and bad ones, just like living humans.

 

[Fredcow9]

Spirits can manifest at any age. Age does not matter. Many can be lost or confused...especially the ones who search endlessly for a God that isn't there, a God they expected would be there but they never find. As far as the spirits are concened, they don't believe there even is such a thing as God. They say they have never encountered one. The physical has everything to do with the spiritual, in fact it is ALL physical. There are no "fallen angels". Fallen from what? There is no heaven, no hell. It is only what you make of it. There are however benevolent and there are malevolent spirits, good ones and bad ones, just like living humans.

No I was saying that a 3 year old is not going to know if they are lost or not, their spirit manifestation is not going to be that of a 3 year old anyway...
Im sorry I just have to accept the authorities on the matter, even if they are some of the most evil scum to walk the earth. Im not saying your encounters are not genuine, but just from reading crowleys books you really get a better more accurate picture.
Ever think they dont want you to know there is a God? Angels fallen from heaven. They didnt get here magically.
It is only what you make of it is a nice gesture thought, however reality is full of unpleasant surprises.

 

[Runewolf1973]

No I was saying that a 3 year old is not going to know if they are lost or not, their spirit manifestation is not going to be that of a 3 year old anyway...
Im sorry I just have to accept the authorities on the matter, even if they are some of the most evil scum to walk the earth. Im not saying your encounters are not genuine, but just from reading crowleys books you really get a better more accurate picture.
Ever think they dont want you to know there is a God? Angels fallen from heaven. They didnt get here magically.
It is only what you make of it is a nice gesture thought, however reality is full of unpleasant surprises.

Well you have been grossly misinformed. If a 3 year old dies, their manifestation is that of a 3 year old. People (spirits) take on the exact same form they had at the moment they died...it's often not too pleasant looking. They are lost in a way because they have been suddenly ripped away from what they thought was reality into a completely different kind of reality, but mommy and daddy aren't always there for them. Oftentimes they do need help finding their way. How do you know Crowley is an authority on the matter? Just because he wrote a book, wears a funny black robe and sports a shaved head and a pentagram? Sounds like you fell for his act. He maybe talks the talk and maybe he did manage to summon something, but my girlfriend walks the walk...literally. She sees them and she talks to them, literally on a daily basis. They come to her, they seek her out, she doesn't need to summon them or perform magic tricks to get their attention. I don't buy into that showy Hollywood satanism stuff and that to me is what Crowley represents. The afterlife is definitely not a place of fallen angels and all-powerful entities that want to possess your soul. It is actually much like the living world we know now...perhaps a little less "lively".

 

[Runewolf1973]

No, they didn't get here magically, which is exactly why God (a magical, supernatural being) doesn't make sense. They are naturally existing, yet unkown to most of the world. You might be rather unpleasantly surprised when you reach that place only to find out there is no god. Hopefully you don't hold too dearly onto that belief lest you become one of those lost wandering souls yourself, always searching...searching for something they never seem to find. Of those there are many. Oddly, those who were atheists in their previous lives are some of the ones who are least negatively affected by that transition and they seem to take it pretty well. They get over it and come to accept things as stange as they are. It is the overly religious ones that get all bent outta shape because they realize they didn't go to heaven. They figure god must be punishing them or something. They walk around almost perpetually like mindless zombies.


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[Runewolf1973]

It is entirely possible that Aleister Crowley was actually making contact with a completely different realm than what my girlfriend sees. There may be other realms where more powerful entities exist, but it's definitely not the same realm that average people go after they die. The ones in the 'earthrealm' as I'll call it are unaware of any other such realms however...and there are some pretty powerful ones there, so who knows? Perhaps they're from a different 'Earth'...a different planet altogether seeing as the one Crowley contacted was apparently alien-like.


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[Smart_Guy]

I believe they are so energetic and can climb mountains with ease. They are also delicious, but I prefer beef... no wait, those are goats

Okay, I'll get serious. I believe in Jin (genies) and that they are beings just like us but we cannot see them for some reason. Sounds unbelievable I know, but it is my faith. They have the ability to whisper to our hearts directly and encourage us to do things. This is why we have some prayers we say when we have bad thoughts or whims. Satan (Lucifer or the Devil) I believe is a Jin and he has other Jins helping him to make our lives miserable.

That is different than the common belief in goats... I mean ghosts, but I feel some of you would find a relation between the two, and I mean Jins and ghosts, so I thought I'd share it with you.

 

[samosasauce]

I find all these responses fascinating
Especially Runewolf1973's

 

[George-ananda]

I find all these responses fascinating
Especially Runewolf1973's

I think our friend Runewolf's experiences are fascinating too. In fact they are right on with so many other things I've read about the lower earth-bound level.

 

[ChakraBuddhaTaoism]

I compare Ghosts as to whom of which has lost their life, I believe ghosts are merely an Ora or presence of something living. Just always remember you cannot have the good, without the bad. they are out there..

 

[ChakraBuddhaTaoism]

the possibilities of other realms existing is a very powerful statement.
Especially because it is a true one.

 

[Runewolf1973]

About the closest thing I have seen to a demon was something that I could only describe as an Incubus. I was lying in bed just about to fall asleep when next thing I know, out of nowhere this bright red demon-like thing jumped on top of my bed, grabbed me and started shaking violently. At the moment my whole body was paralyzed and I could not shake this thing off of me. I ended up saying something to the regards of "In the name of Jesus, go away!" and just like that it went away. It was only about the size of an 8 year old child, but had the strength of at least two full grown men. This was the first and only time I had ever seen one of these creatures. My girlfriend said she actually seen one of these creatures as well when she was 13 years old while she was attending a cadet camp. I was about the same age when I had my experience. She said she was awake at the time but lying in bed. She watched as this little demon-like thing literally jumped from one kid to the next as they were sleeping. It eventually made it's way over and jumped onto her bed. She said it appeared rather startled when it realized it was being watched, so the thing just hissed at her and took off. These things don't walk, they just jump around or kinda hop from one place to the next. Other than that she's never seen any other demon-like things or angelic-like things for that matter in the earth-bound realm.

 

[Runewolf1973]

I compare Ghosts as to whom of which has lost their life, I believe ghosts are merely an Ora or presence of something living. Just always remember you cannot have the good, without the bad. they are out there..

Tis true.