Giants = Nephilim

[Faithofchristian]

Genesis 7:17-24
"The flooding continued for 40 days on the earth, and the waters kept increasing and began carrying the ark, and it was floating high above the earth. 18 The waters became overwhelming and kept increasing greatly upon the earth, but the ark floated on the surface of the waters. 19 The waters overwhelmed the earth so greatly that all the tall mountains under the whole heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose up to 15 cubits above the mountains.

21 So all living creatures that were moving on the earth perished—the flying creatures, the domestic animals, the wild animals, the swarming creatures, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 So He wiped every living thing from the surface of the earth, including man, animals, creeping animals, and the flying creatures of the sky. They were all wiped off the earth; only Noah and those with him in the ark survived. 24 And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days."

Since all living, breathing things died in the flood, there was no way for the Nephilim to survive. They were not sons of Adam but were creatures who had no divine right to live. They were therefore wiped out of existence.

The flood survivors no doubt had many stories to tell their descendants about the pre-flood conditions on the earth and the "giants" that caused all the trouble. Humans like to embellish stories as we see with the many flood legends in cultures all over the world.

Any person of unusual height was naturally deemed to be "Nephilim".....someone evoking fear and trepidation. That is why those of unusual size were called "Nephilim" by the faithless spies sent in to scope out the land into which they were going.

Only Joshua and Caleb had faith in God's strength to conquer the land's violent inhabitants. Caleb voiced his confidence in God....
"But the men who went up with him said: “We are not able to go up against the people, because they are stronger than we are.” 32 And they kept on giving the Israelites a bad report about the land that they had spied out, saying: “The land that we passed through to spy out is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of extraordinary size. 33 And there we saw the Nephʹi·lim, the sons of Aʹnak, who are from the Nephʹi·lim, and in comparison we seemed like grasshoppers, both to us and to them.” (Numbers 13:31-33)

By likening the "sons of Anak" to the Nephilim, they were trying to strike fear into the hearts of Israel. The Anakim were not Nephilim at all, since they were all wiped out in the flood....but were just a very tall race of people and the men of Israel had no faith in the power of their God to defeat them, in spite of the fact that he had delivered his people with an extraordinary display of his power both in Egypt and the Red Sea.

How many people do you believe were on the ark besides Noah and his wife and his 3 sons and their wives ?

 

[74x12]

In the Translation of the Hebrew and Greek language into English, There are many words that got lost in Translation.

Take for instance in the book of
Genesis 6:4 the word ( Giants ) the correct translation should haved been
( Nephilim ) in the Greek Translation.

But however upon those who did the Translation of the Hebrew and Greek language, did the best they could with what tools they had at the time.

Where as to day, we have the necessary tools to translate the Hebrew and Greek language into English.

Therefore the proper Translation of the word
( Giants ) in the Greek Translation would haved been ( Nephilim )

So the question is, Who and what are the Nephilim ?
In the book of Genesis 6:4, We find the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men.
The sons of God being Celestial angels of heaven.
These angels being the fallen angels of heaven, which are the angels of Satan's.

These Giants ( Nephilim ) are detailed in the Biblical origin being half Celestial angels and half human, being Hybrid Giants, which are Nephilim Giants.

Who were the product of illicit relations between the evil fallen angels of Satan's and human women, Unto which produce the Nephilim Giant's.

To get a better understanding just how tall these Nephilim Giant's were.

If you were to take a small kid between the ages of 3 to 6 years old and stand them next to someone who is 8 to 12 feet tall, that might give you a pretty good idea just how tall those Nephilim Giant's were next to a full grown man or woman.

Not only were the Nephilim Giant's tall, But also had superhuman strength and Cannibals as well.
Is it any wonder why God wanted these beings killed off to be Destroyed, by the flood of Noah's.

But as it maybe, that not all of the Nephilim Giant's were destroyed by the flood of Noah's.
That we find that during the time of Moses, That Moses sent spy's over into the land of the Amalekites, Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites and Canaanites, to see what people lived there in the land.

That in the Bible in the book of
Numbers 13:32,33, That we read how these spy's came back to Moses saying how the people who lived there were Giants
( Nephilim ) and that they were like grasshoppers in their sight and eats up the inhabitants of the land.

Therefore when people read about God Destroying men,women and children, First you would have to know who those people were, they were not human beings as we are.

But Hybrids half human and half Celestial angels, being Nephilim Giant's, with superhuman strength and cannibal eating habits.

Can you imagine if those Celestial Nephilim Giant's were alive to day ?

If anyone would like to know more about the Nephilim Giant's, put in your search engine

beginning and end.com bloodline of the Nephilim giants

This is true and was widely believed and known before the "sons of Seth" theory was formed. Sons of Seth is disprovable because it says that the sons of God saw the "daughters of ADAM" not the "daughters of Cain". The daughters of man(ADAM). This means that the daughters of Cain theory doesn't have a leg to stand on. And also anyone who believes the "sons of Seth" theory has to explain what was so special about a union between Sethite and Cainite that created people who were "men of renown". That's ridiculous. If we do look at the actual "men of renown" from ancient cultures such as Gilgamesh we find that he was actually a giant. He was pretty big. So big no one could stop him doing whatever he wanted. He basically had sex with any woman he wanted even if they were married. These "heroes" (men of renown, men of old) claimed to be descendants of the gods. Just look at Greek stories, Hercules for example. Gilgamesh claimed to be "two thirds god and one third human". Hercules of course was son of Zeus with a human woman. Zeus in general was always getting some woman pregnant.

 

[Deeje]

How many people do you believe were on the ark besides Noah and his wife and his 3 sons and their wives ?

According to 1 Peter 3:20....."eight souls, were carried safely through the water."

Since the "souls" were the people, there were eight people on the ark.....no more. And as far as I know, there weren't any Nephilim clinging on to the outside of the vessel for over a year.

 

[Deeje]

Apparently not - as the story continues -

"Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.

Gen 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

Gen 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

Gen 9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

Gen 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Gen 9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Gen 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

And Numbers 13 tells us the Canaanites are nephilim. So Ham's line continues the nephilim which are NOT Giants. They are the people gone astray.

Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

Gen 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.

Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Gen 10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,

Gen 10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

Gen 10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

Gen 10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

Gen 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,

Gen 10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

Gen 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

Gen 10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

Gen 10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
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I'm sorry but that is complete rubbish.

According to Genesis 7:21-23...."all living creatures that were moving on the earth perished—the flying creatures, the domestic animals, the wild animals, the swarming creatures, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 So He wiped every living thing from the surface of the earth, including man, animals, creeping animals, and the flying creatures of the sky. They were all wiped off the earth; only Noah and those with him in the ark survived."

End of story....

 

[74x12]

There is absolutely no reason to take this as a mating between angels and humans.

The Sons of God are the Hebrew. They started mixing with other people. Nephilim means mighty/stature, etc., not actually giants.

Gen 6:2 That the sons of Elohiym/God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were nephilim/giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

"2. Mixed marriages (Gen_6:2): The sons of God (that is, the professors of religion, who were called by the name of the Lord, and called upon that name), married the daughters of men, that is, those that were profane, and strangers to God and godliness. ..." Matthew Henry's Commentary On The Whole Bible

Here is the second use - showing absolutely that the nephilim are just mighty men.

Num 13:27 And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this is the fruit of it.

Num 13:28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.

Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.

Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Num 13:33 And there we saw the nephilim/giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the nephilim/giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Anak is a Canaanite, - not a giant. Look him up.

They were afraid because the people of that land had reputations as mighty warriors. Thus they felt small, like grasshoppers that are going to get squished, - when going up against them.

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There were no Hebrews before the flood. It's commonly believed the term Hebrew originated from the descendants of "Eber" who was born after the flood from the line of Shem. Remember the Canaanites and all the sons of Noah were descendants of Seth.

The problem with the idea that the "Sons of God" is simply referring to the descendants of "Seth" or whatever is that it says they saw literally the "daughters of Adam". Seth was also a descendant of Adam so this would make no sense if they simply saw daughters of Adam then what is the problem? The "sons of God" are angelic beings who saw daughters of Adam and lusted after them. Marriage is not allowed for angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:30) this is why it was considered a sin for them to marry the earth women. As we find referenced in Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Jude is speaking of these same "sons of God" who left their first estate(that is in my opinion that they took on corporeal form) and their own habitation(heaven) and married earth women. This caused them to be imprisoned by God in Tartaros as Peter says in 2 Peter 2:4. Tartaros likely being meant as the same place as the bottomless pit described in Revelation.

When it comes to Anak, yes he could have been a Canaanite or Amorite, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a giant. The giants were created from a union between earth women and fallen angels. There were definitely giants as we find that Og was a giant who faced Moses and Joshua. Further in the book of Joshua we see that some of these Anakim living in Gath the Philistine city escaped the Israelites under Joshua. This was of course the place Goliath came from and he likely along with his twelve fingered brother was descendant of these Anakim. It's also interesting how the name Anak is so similar to the "Annunaki" from Sumerian mythology. I'm not saying there is a connection but it is possible.

 

[74x12]

According to 1 Peter 3:20....."eight souls, were carried safely through the water."

Since the "souls" were the people, there were eight people on the ark.....no more. And as far as I know, there weren't any Nephilim clinging on to the outside of the vessel for over a year.

Many people believe when in Genesis 6 it says "and also afterwards" it's referring to fallen angels that came again after the flood. This would explain the giants found in Canaan by Joshua and really legends of giants all over the world.

Then you get into various ideas about the giants having access to advanced technology including spacecrafts. Note that the Bible says the flood would kill everything "on the face of the earth". That does not necessarily include giants who escaped in flying ships or who tunneled underground. In either case this would not be "on the face of the earth". I'm not saying this happened for sure, but many people believe this is the case. Ancient tunnel systems have been found. Many believe that giants in stasis have been discovered also. The Indian gods flying in Vimanas also could possibly be linked with this.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Many people believe when in Genesis 6 it says "and also afterwards" it's referring to fallen angels that came again after the flood. This would explain the giants found in Canaan by Joshua and really legends of giants all over the world.

Then you get into various ideas about the giants having access to advanced technology including spacecrafts. Note that the Bible says the flood would kill everything "on the face of the earth". That does not necessarily include giants who escaped in flying ships or who tunneled underground. In either case this would not be "on the face of the earth". I'm not saying this happened for sure, but many people believe this is the case. Ancient tunnel systems have been found. Many believe that giants in stasis have been discovered also. The Indian gods flying in Vimanas also could possibly be linked with this.

I have something just for thought.

Many people will say, that the flood of Noah's, flooded the whole earth, destroying all life, but there's a Problem with this.

In the book of Genesis chapter 10, we find the generations of the sons of Noah's.
Shem, Ham and Japheth, and unto to them were born sons after the flood.

Verse 4, here we find the sons of Javan being Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodamin.

Notice in Verse 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their Nations"

If the flood of Noah's was to destroy all life, The question is, where did the isles of the Gentiles come from ?

Thought I would share this with you.

 

[Thief]

There might be some people who are taller than the common person, but they are not the Nephilim Giant's, if they were they would really be noticeable, with superhuman strength and cannibals as well and being tall as 20 to 30 feet tall. That would really be hard not to notice.

If you like to do a study on the Nephilim Giant's.
Go to your search engine and put in

Beginning and end.com
Bloodline of the Nephilim Giant's

does Sasquatch and the abominable snowman fit into this scheme of things?

 

[Thief]

I have something just for thought.

Many people will say, that the flood of Noah's, flooded the whole earth, destroying all life, but there's a Problem with this.

In the book of Genesis chapter 10, we find the generations of the sons of Noah's.
Shem, Ham and Japheth, and unto to them were born sons after the flood.

Verse 4, here we find the sons of Javan being Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodamin.

Notice in Verse 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their Nations"

If the flood of Noah's was to destroy all life, The question is, where did the isles of the Gentiles come from ?

Thought I would share this with you.

similar to ....who was Cain's wife?
and who was Cain afraid of having been convicted of Abel's death?
a mark was set upon Cain that no one would harm him

 

[Deeje]

Many people believe when in Genesis 6 it says "and also afterwards" it's referring to fallen angels that came again after the flood. This would explain the giants found in Canaan by Joshua and really legends of giants all over the world.

The "afterwards" could possibly mean the time after the Nephilim first appeared. These hybrid bullies have no record of producing offspring, so their continued existence would be by the allowance of time that God set for their removal. "Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years." (Genesis 6:3)

Jehovah set a time limit for the existence of that ungodly world. That would mean that the Nephilim were around for all that time....then and afterwards.
This was a divine judicial decree. About 20 years after that, Noah’s first son (probably Japheth) was born (2470 B.C.E.), and the record shows that another son, Shem, was born two years later. The time of Ham’s birth is not stated, but these three sons were grown and married when the divine instructions were given to Noah to build an ark. Consequently, it is likely that only 40 or 50 years then remained before the Deluge. (Genesis 6:13-18) Now, brought into a covenant with Jehovah (Genesis 6:18) and assisted by his family, Noah set to work as a builder and “a preacher of righteousness,” warning that wicked generation of impending destruction. (2 Peter 2:5)

There were no fallen angels after the flood because once forced back to the spirit realm, these fallen angels were placed under a condition of restraint. (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) These were the "spirits in prison" to who Jesus preached his judgment message. They were never able to materialize again, preventing them from ever fathering any more illegitimate children.

There have always been abnormally tall people in the world.....none of them are descended from the Nephilim. These are gene abnormalities that produce excess growth hormones. These mutations can be hereditary.

The "sons of Anak" were simply a race of tall men. Scripturally, they have no connection to the Nephilim.

Then you get into various ideas about the giants having access to advanced technology including spacecrafts. Note that the Bible says the flood would kill everything "on the face of the earth". That does not necessarily include giants who escaped in flying ships or who tunneled underground. In either case this would not be "on the face of the earth".

Now you are getting into fiction. Why invent scenarios when the Bible doesn't? Space ships? Really? You think underground tunnels would escape the flood waters? And even if they did, the world was covered in water for over a year, where would their oxygen supply come from? The Nephilim were humans. Be serious.

I'm not saying this happened for sure, but many people believe this is the case. Ancient tunnel systems have been found. Many believe that giants in stasis have been discovered also. The Indian gods flying in Vimanas also could possibly be linked with this.

People will believe anything they want to believe if it suits them. If the Bible doesn't say it, I have no interest in pursuing it. I believe that all we need to know is in those pages. If you want to wander outside them...that is up to you.

 

[74x12]

does Sasquatch and the abominable snowman fit into this scheme of things?

Possibly ... that would be pure conjecture. However, they are sometimes reported as pretty much paranormal sightings. In other words as if they are spiritual entities. At other times as if they're physical ape like entities. So, I don't know what's going on with those sightings. Interesting topic though.

 

[74x12]

The "afterwards" could possibly mean the time after the Nephilim first appeared.

Yes it "could possibly" mean that. I agree, however I also believe it could possibly be referring to after the flood. This does line up rather well with the book of Joshua's account of the likes of king Og and the sons of Anak.

There were no fallen angels after the flood because once forced back to the spirit realm, these fallen angels were placed under a condition of restraint. (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) These were the "spirits in prison" to who Jesus preached his judgment message. They were never able to materialize again, preventing them from ever fathering any more illegitimate children.

No offense, I think you're jumping to conclusions. We know that some of the fallen angels (probably the worst offenders) were locked away until judgment day. But we do not know that all the fallen angels were locked away. In fact Satan is not locked away yet and he has to have a sizable following of fallen angels and demons. Satan is not omnipresent(in the book of Job he admits he goes up and down in the earth) and so has to have followers to do his bidding all over the world. Even though satan travels the world constantly and goes "to and fro" as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. And even though I'm sure he travels very quickly. Yet, he can't keep the whole world locked down under the power of evil. As the scripture says the whole world "lies in the power of the evil one". So satan has to set up local strongholds and maybe principalities to keep his power strong everywhere at once.

There have always been abnormally tall people in the world.....none of them are descended from the Nephilim. These are gene abnormalities that produce excess growth hormones. These mutations can be hereditary.

Correct me if I'm wrong but these who "suffer" from "gigantism" are often unhealthy in some ways. They can be skinny and weak in the joints etc. They may need a cane to walk or something. The giant Goliath on the other hand is not described this way. He is apparently very athletic being trained for warfare from childhood. So, not just tall but muscles, bones etc. matching their size. Much thicker bones etc.

Now you are getting into fiction. Why invent scenarios when the Bible doesn't? Space ships? Really? You think underground tunnels would escape the flood waters? And even if they did, the world was covered in water for over a year, where would their oxygen supply come from? The Nephilim were humans. Be serious.

I suggest you research before you blow it all off. I'm not saying it is this way; it's just something to maybe consider researching.

As you know Jesus claimed that "as in the days of Noah" so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of man. This is interesting because there were Nephilim in the earth in those days. Is Jesus hinting that the Nephilim return? Research incubus and succubus. People are literally having sex with what they think are ghosts or whatever. Yes they are demons. Consider what Daniel said about the feet of iron mixed with clay. "They shall mingle their seed with the seed of man" Who is "they"??? An important question if you ask me. Then other questions. If you research the paranormal and/or alien abductions you find these so called extraterrestrials are extremely interested in "harvesting" sperm and eggs from humans. It's weird stuff, but I believe it's all interconnected.

Here is something interesting. Isaiah 13 in the Septuagint actually talks about giants coming to fulfill God's wrath.

Esias 13
1 THE VISION WHICH ESAIAS SON OF AMOS SAW AGAINST BABYLON.
2 Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, open , ye rulers.
3 I give command, and I bring them: giants are coming to fulfil my wrath, rejoicing at the same time and insulting.

Here is the KJV for comparison:
Isaiah 13 King James Version (KJV)
13 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

I'm not saying the KJV is wrong, but it's interesting to note how the ancient Hebrew scribes seem to have translated this into Greek as speaking of giants.

 

[Ingledsva]

I'm sorry but that is complete rubbish.

According to Genesis 7:21-23...."all living creatures that were moving on the earth perished—the flying creatures, the domestic animals, the wild animals, the swarming creatures, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 So He wiped every living thing from the surface of the earth, including man, animals, creeping animals, and the flying creatures of the sky. They were all wiped off the earth; only Noah and those with him in the ark survived."

End of story....

Did you miss - Gen 9:18? According to the story Ham - the sinner - was on the Ark.

"Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.

Ham's genealogy leads to the Canaanite which we are told are nephilim.

Num 13:33 And there we saw the nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the nephilim/giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Anak and sons are Canaanite.

This "nephilim" means fallen humans - sin.

Ham fell into sin - and his descendants, the Canaanite, are nephilim, - fallen sinful humans, whom are fierce warriors (great stature.) Not giants.

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[Ingledsva]

...Here is something interesting. Isaiah 13 in the Septuagint actually talks about giants coming to fulfill God's wrath.

Esias 13
1 THE VISION WHICH ESAIAS SON OF AMOS SAW AGAINST BABYLON.
2 Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, open , ye rulers.
3 I give command, and I bring them: giants are coming to fulfil my wrath, rejoicing at the same time and insulting.

Here is the KJV for comparison:
Isaiah 13 King James Version (KJV)
13 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

I'm not saying the KJV is wrong, but it's interesting to note how the ancient Hebrew scribes seem to have translated this into Greek as speaking of giants.

I have called my Giants is WRONG. - I have called my Sanctified ones is correct.

The word is qâdash H6942 in Strong's. Look it up.

It means holy ones, sanctified ones.

This is how the HRB translates it.

Isa 13:3 I have commanded My holy ones; I have also called My warriors for My anger, those who rejoice in My Majesty.

And Tanakh online - Chabad - Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 13 has -

3 I commanded My prepared ones; I summoned My heroes to [execute] My wrath, those who rejoice in My pride.

So obviously sanctified ones, - prepared - sanctified.

It has been pointed out by many scholars, - that Goliath probably had Gigantism which is rare.

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[Ingledsva]

There were no Hebrews before the flood. It's commonly believed the term Hebrew originated from the descendants of "Eber" who was born after the flood from the line of Shem. Remember the Canaanites and all the sons of Noah were descendants of Seth.

The problem with the idea that the "Sons of God" is simply referring to the descendants of "Seth" or whatever is that it says they saw literally the "daughters of Adam". Seth was also a descendant of Adam so this would make no sense if they simply saw daughters of Adam then what is the problem? The "sons of God" are angelic beings who saw daughters of Adam and lusted after them. Marriage is not allowed for angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:30) this is why it was considered a sin for them to marry the earth women. As we find referenced in Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Jude is speaking of these same "sons of God" who left their first estate(that is in my opinion that they took on corporeal form) and their own habitation(heaven) and married earth women. This caused them to be imprisoned by God in Tartaros as Peter says in 2 Peter 2:4. Tartaros likely being meant as the same place as the bottomless pit described in Revelation.

When it comes to Anak, yes he could have been a Canaanite or Amorite, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a giant. The giants were created from a union between earth women and fallen angels. There were definitely giants as we find that Og was a giant who faced Moses and Joshua. Further in the book of Joshua we see that some of these Anakim living in Gath the Philistine city escaped the Israelites under Joshua. This was of course the place Goliath came from and he likely along with his twelve fingered brother was descendant of these Anakim. It's also interesting how the name Anak is so similar to the "Annunaki" from Sumerian mythology. I'm not saying there is a connection but it is possible.

As shown - there is absolutely no proof of angels mating with humans in Tanakh, nor reasons to assume that naphilim in these stories are actual storybook giants.

We have several Jewish ideas here (as shown), but also as shown, the texts show they are about mighty warrior humans, - not giants.

We have stories of angel meetings - and none say they were giants. They were mistaken for humans, so why would humans mating with them be giants? That doesn't even make sense.

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[Hockeycowboy]

There were no Hebrews before the flood. It's commonly believed the term Hebrew originated from the descendants of "Eber" who was born after the flood from the line of Shem. Remember the Canaanites and all the sons of Noah were descendants of Seth.

The problem with the idea that the "Sons of God" is simply referring to the descendants of "Seth" or whatever is that it says they saw literally the "daughters of Adam". Seth was also a descendant of Adam so this would make no sense if they simply saw daughters of Adam then what is the problem? The "sons of God" are angelic beings who saw daughters of Adam and lusted after them. Marriage is not allowed for angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:30) this is why it was considered a sin for them to marry the earth women. As we find referenced in Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Jude is speaking of these same "sons of God" who left their first estate(that is in my opinion that they took on corporeal form) and their own habitation(heaven) and married earth women. This caused them to be imprisoned by God in Tartaros as Peter says in 2 Peter 2:4. Tartaros likely being meant as the same place as the bottomless pit described in Revelation.

Good use of context, using other Passages in Jude and 2 Peter to explain an event in Genesis!

 

[Deeje]

Yes it "could possibly" mean that. I agree, however I also believe it could possibly be referring to after the flood. This does line up rather well with the book of Joshua's account of the likes of king Og and the sons of Anak.

Moses wrote Genesis and he says that NO other living thing survived the flood. Was he lying for some reason?

Joshua's account of the "sons of Anakim" are simply a reference to a race of tall individuals with a bad reptutation that the faithless (and gutless) spies used to justify their bad report of the land. Joshua and Caleb were confident of God's backing....but the 8 cowardly spies used the Nephilim as an excuse not to go up against them.

Who spoke about the Nephilim in the book of Joshua? It wasn't Joshua.

Now who spoke about the sons of Anak in Deuteronomy? It was Moses.
“Hear, O Israel, today you are crossing the Jordan to go in and dispossess nations greater and mightier than you, cities great and fortified to the heavens, 2 a people great and tall, the sons of the Anʹa·kim, about whom you know and have heard it said, ‘Who can stand up to the sons of Aʹnak?’" (Deuteronomy 9:1-2)

Neither of them spoke about the Nephilim; Moses called them simply the "sons of Anak". Gigantic men of fame in the land....warriors.

No living thing survived the flood....period.

No offense, I think you're jumping to conclusions. We know that some of the fallen angels (probably the worst offenders) were locked away until judgment day. But we do not know that all the fallen angels were locked away.

You misunderstand...."the spirits in prison" were not "locked away" after the flood. They were put into a condition of restraint by not being able to materialize any more....but they were certainly not kept away from humankind. God was not finished with them and they had free access to heaven in the days of Job. In fact they had free access to heaven until Jesus was enthroned as King....that was not to take place until "the time of the end". (Daniel 7:13-14; Daniel 12:4)

Jesus' first act as King was to cleanse the heavens and evict satan and his hordes by confining them to the earth. This is their prison now until Jesus orders them into the abyss for 1,000 years.

"And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” (Revelation 12:7-12)

In fact Satan is not locked away yet and he has to have a sizable following of fallen angels and demons. Satan is not omnipresent(in the book of Job he admits he goes up and down in the earth) and so has to have followers to do his bidding all over the world. Even though satan travels the world constantly and goes "to and fro" as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. And even though I'm sure he travels very quickly. Yet, he can't keep the whole world locked down under the power of evil. As the scripture says the whole world "lies in the power of the evil one". So satan has to set up local strongholds and maybe principalities to keep his power strong everywhere at once.

Yes....he is running out of time. There is no longer any subtlety....he is that "roaring lion" seeking prey. He will take as many down with him as he can. The master of deception will use any means to trap his victims...usually by exploiting their fleshly weaknesses.

Correct me if I'm wrong but these who "suffer" from "gigantism" are often unhealthy in some ways. They can be skinny and weak in the joints etc. They may need a cane to walk or something. The giant Goliath on the other hand is not described this way. He is apparently very athletic being trained for warfare from childhood. So, not just tall but muscles, bones etc. matching their size. Much thicker bones etc.

Some are quite normal looking and proportionate. I don't imagine playing basketball is for sissies or cripples.

What about these girls....?

So, not always disabled.....Goliath was encased in heavy armor as well. I can't imagine he floated like a butterfly.

 

[Deeje]

I suggest you research before you blow it all off. I'm not saying it is this way; it's just something to maybe consider researching.

So who am I to believe about this research? What evidence can be shown that backs these things up?
There is no shortage of scenarios....all from vivid imaginations.....the devil is having a lend of gullible people.

As you know Jesus claimed that "as in the days of Noah" so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of man. This is interesting because there were Nephilim in the earth in those days. Is Jesus hinting that the Nephilim return?

No actually, this is not a reference to the Nephilim returning at all. Jesus was referring to the situation of rampant sex and violence that occurred among the human population because of the activities of the Nephilim. Noah tried to warn the people of his day about what God was going to do to cleanse the earth at that time....he is about to cleanse the earth again, for the same reason....this time not by a flood.

Research incubus and succubus. People are literally having sex with what they think are ghosts or whatever. Yes they are demons.

Demonic activity is still experienced in all the world. Since the demons can no longer materialize, they find other ways to gratify themselves. An inordinate interest in perverted sex and gratuitous violence comes with sin. They make sure that their world is saturated with it.

Consider what Daniel said about the feet of iron mixed with clay. "They shall mingle their seed with the seed of man" Who is "they"???

Daniel's prophesy was about the march of world powers leading up to the coming of God's Kingdom. The feet of clay are described as not mixing together.....these are humans of different political ideologies not getting along and dividing mankind.

"And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.

44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever" (Daniel 2:41-44)

This is what Daniel was talking about.

Then other questions. If you research the paranormal and/or alien abductions you find these so called extraterrestrials are extremely interested in "harvesting" sperm and eggs from humans. It's weird stuff, but I believe it's all interconnected.

What is an extra terrestrial? The term simply means "not from the earth". God and angels and demons all fit that description if we are honest.

Here is something interesting. Isaiah 13 in the Septuagint actually talks about giants coming to fulfill God's wrath.

Esias 13
1 THE VISION WHICH ESAIAS SON OF AMOS SAW AGAINST BABYLON.
2 Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, open , ye rulers.
3 I give command, and I bring them: giants are coming to fulfil my wrath, rejoicing at the same time and insulting.

Here is the KJV for comparison:
Isaiah 13 King James Version (KJV)
13 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

I'm not saying the KJV is wrong, but it's interesting to note how the ancient Hebrew scribes seem to have translated this into Greek as speaking of giants.

I think you are getting a bit carried away here.....

A little research will reveal what these "giants" are.....
Strongs lists the Hebrew word as "gibbowr" which means...

1. strong, mighty
2. strong man, brave man, mighty man

Genesis 1:1 (NASB)

Since a King's warriors were often the biggest and strongest among his soldiers, this is not referring to the Nephilim, but to a King's champion(s) who were often at the forefront to intimidate his enemies.

Time to put your imagination into neutral, I think.

 

[Deeje]

Did you miss - Gen 9:18? According to the story Ham - the sinner - was on the Ark.

"Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.

Ham's genealogy leads to the Canaanite which we are told are nephilim.

Num 13:33 And there we saw the nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the nephilim/giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Anak and sons are Canaanite.

This "nephilim" means fallen humans - sin.

Ham fell into sin - and his descendants, the Canaanite, are nephilim, - fallen sinful humans, whom are fierce warriors (great stature.) Not giants.

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Who said the sons of Anak were the Nephilim? It wasn't Joshua and it wasn't Moses. The 8 cowardly spies spoke about the Nephilim as an excuse to chicken out from taking the land that God had told them to scope out.
Joshua and Caleb were confident of God's backing because of seeing his power displayed in releasing Israel from Egypt....these ones were faithless cowards.

 

[Ingledsva]

Who said the sons of Anak were the Nephilim? It wasn't Joshua and it wasn't Moses. The 8 cowardly spies spoke about the Nephilim as an excuse to chicken out from taking the land that God had told them to scope out.
Joshua and Caleb were confident of God's backing because of seeing his power displayed in releasing Israel from Egypt....these ones were faithless cowards.

The text does not say they are wrong about calling them nephilim.

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