Giddy up! More on the Bible in public schools

[McBell]

That's a loaded question.

I'll tell you this. When an Islamic highschooler comes up to me and asks me to tell them about my God my game plan is: 1. Is your mother and Father honorable? They reply: "Yes". 2. No, I cannot I teach you. I must respect my faith. Go and honor your mother and father.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Do you disagree as to the importance of the Christian faith in the development of western civilization?

It certainly played a huge part, but what bother me is this:

"Every classroom in the state from grades 5 through 12 must have a Bible and all teachers must teach from the Bible in the classroom, Walters said."

Certainly teaching about Christianity from an historical perspective is important, but teachers need not "teach from the Bible" and classrooms don't need to have one. This appears to be an excuse to bring Christian indoctrination into classrooms.

 

[Argentbear]

Art, law, literature, language, etc.?

Art and literature of western civilization - the ancient Greeks and the Romans
Law - Roman
Language - with a couple exceptions (Hungarian and Finnish) the languages of western civilization are all of the IndoEuropean family

 

[Regiomontanus]

Art and literature of western civilization - the ancient Greeks and the Romans
Law - Roman
Language - with a couple exceptions (Hungarian and Finnish) the languages of western civilization are all of the IndoEuropean family

I find it so sad to see people with no comprehension of the last two thousand years of history.

 

[Viker]

I find it so sad to see people with no comprehension of the last two thousand years of history.

I find it sad that people can't recognize that ideas like democracy and republic predate the last two thousand years.

 

[Argentbear]

Maybe you missed the point or maybe I miss yours. I'm suggesting that a supreme governing force permeates the entirety of everything in and as the universe. If this doesn't equate to God to you, then no God before me would suggest that you have your own way of understanding that authority in your life. No big in my opinion. It's personal to you just as it's personal to me. I have my understanding and you have yours. That was my point. If I missed yours, feel free to clarify the intent.

The issue again is that the Louisiana law you so support imposes your personal understanding onto all students of the state and elevates your opinion to be the only moral one.

 

[Argentbear]

I find it so sad to see people with no comprehension of the last two thousand years of history.

It must be difficult for you to look in the mirror then.

 

[Twilight Hue]

One does not have to be a 'Christian Nationalist' to appreciate the foundational importance of the Bible on western civilization. This is basic history. I find it astounding how the hatred of Christians has blinded so many here on significant, positive (snd yes, negative), influence the Bible has had on the west.

I think America has been a Christian influenced nation , but definitely not a Christian run nation of which the distinction arises.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Please, Lord, not a Trump bible! If anyone was unsure if Trump is a Christian or not (or knows anything about the faith), this sales pitch of his should end all debate. Talk about sacrilegious ...

Well there is always the John McArthur study Bible, a steal at around 33 bucks.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Thank you brother. Your reply is the first reasonable and honest one so far. You can see the truth despite your hate.

Can't say "thank you " without spoiling it at the end, eh? Pity.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Who is God to you? Do you know everything about your God? If you take the position of no God, then what governs the Universe?

Why do you suppose the universe is being "governed?"

 

[ChristineM]

Sigh. I expected better from you.

You got what i have to give on tne subject. Sorry you don't like it

Wait...

No im not

 

[Revoltingest]

You are deflecting.

To ask relevant questions often garner that reaction.

The question was....

I asked an additional question.
Which has gone unanswered.

...did the Bible and Christianity in general have any significant influence on the development of western civilization?

I thought that had been answered.
Of course it has. I even gave some examples.
It appears you missed or forgot them.

I am not talking about teaching anything (note: I never said that I agree with this latest development).

I am addressing teaching the Bible,
which is the OP's theme.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

“It’s crystal clear to us that in the Oklahoma academic standards under Title 70 on multiple occasions, the Bible is a necessary historical document to teach our kids about the history of this country, to have a complete understanding of Western civilization, to have an understanding of the basis of our legal system,” Walters said."

Do you disagree as to the importance of the Christian faith in the development of western civilization?

(Constitutional issues aside)

The American legal system is based on British common law not the bible.
The bible contains nothing pertaining to American history.
The various Christian religions have had a considerable influence on western civilisations.
Western democracies and government systems.largely predate Christianity. And have their foundation in Ancient Greek, pre Christian Roman and northern European pre viking cultures.
American culture and governance is extremely young and is largely based on 18th century British and European cultures. As interpreted by the early colonists. As these colonist represented those with very disparate Christian dogmas and at the time of the writing of the constitution by very many with Deist, Unitarian and humanists beliefs. The constitution was written in such-like a way as to prevent the power falling into the hands of any particular Christian religion..At that point no other religions had a significant presence in north America. Native religions and Eastern religions were not even recognised as valid at all..and we're not considered by the constitution.

 

[Revoltingest]

I view your sentiments very differently.

I described the sentiments of others.

The constitution exists to protect everyone in this nation, including the secular community, and the various cultures representing the many religions of the world. The compulsory institution of strict compliance to teaching the bible in every school district in Oklahoma is not even remotely in the same league as what's going on in Louisiana.

Agree.

The 1st amendment is our first line of defense, and when in the course of human events one people (state) decides that the laws of our government has become detrimental to their happiness and well being, it is our right and is expected that we utilize the 1st amendment to resolve our grievances.

Agree.

I disagree with Oklahoma's decision.

Woohoo!

 

[Balthazzar]

The issue again is that the Louisiana law you so support imposes your personal understanding onto all students of the state and elevates your opinion to be the only moral one.

As a State, they made the move for the inclusion. It isn't imposing, it's a display that is 1. historical 2. Represents the majority in that state 3. promotes peaceful relations 4. Doesn't impose any penalties 5. Isn't a religious law 6. Was adopted by the Jewish people as basic among their 613 religious ones 7. Was documented in the Bible

 

[Balthazzar]

Why do you suppose the universe is being "governed?"

The mechanics of operation would imply as much.

 

[Revoltingest]

As a State, they made the move for the inclusion.

Inclusion of only Christians.

Hypothetically, if where you lived, government
required public schools to teach the Koran,
how would you feel about it?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The mechanics of operation would imply as much.

Physics explains that.

 

[Balthazzar]

Inclusion of only Christians.

Hypothetically, if where you lived, government
required public schools to teach the Koran,
how would you feel about it?

I would assemble somewhere else that better reflected my views and more apt to increase my security and wellbeing. Which, if it's any consolation, I plan to do anyway. Not that my home state is terrible, but we don't always see eye to eye well enough to acknowledge present needs. If this was a superficial issue, I'd be less inclined to get involved. The truth is, it isn't just a superficial non relevant issue. It's one that concerns most everyone in the nation, whether you're an atheist, Christian, Muslim, Bahai, Buddhist, Shinto, Wiccan, etc. No matter what you affiliate with, there are others who are very likely, like minded. I've never been much on board with segregation, but when offered a vault for precious metals in a segregated area or a non segregated area of a depository, I choose segregated. There's less confusion this way and it is more private, as well as less congested.