Girl cast a spell on teacher. Gets ex-spelled.

[Twilight Hue]

Roflmao!!!!! Shoulda seen this sooner. Ha ha ha..

Student Ex-"spelled" for casting a spell on teach…:

Lordy it worked !!

 

[Valjean]

At least they didn't burn her.

 

[YmirGF]

I might have pulled her aside and asked her what kind of drugs she was on to think that casting a spell was reasonable in 2015, but expel her, umm, no.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's the story in the news (from 2000).....
ACLU of Oklahoma Files Federal Lawsuit on Behalf of Student Accused of "Hexing" a Teacher | American Civil Liberties Union

 

[freethinker44]

This may be a little controversial, but I think people that pray for bad things to happen or cast spells on people should be held accountable as if they've actually physically attempted the act. It would be difficult to prosecute but if someone truly believes praying or casting spells has a real world effect and they use magic or pray for bad things, to me that's no different than someone thinking a gun was loaded and trying to shoot someone with it. Even though there is zero chance of hurting anyone, they believe when they aim the gun at someone and pull the trigger that they will hurt or kill that person, and the same is true of someone that believes in prayer or magic and tries to hurt someone with it. To me the crime is in the intent.

 

[Marisa]

This may be a little controversial, but I think people that pray for bad things to happen or cast spells on people should be held accountable as if they've actually physically attempted the act. It would be difficult to prosecute but if someone truly believes praying or casting spells has a real world effect and they use magic or pray for bad things, to me that's no different than someone thinking a gun was loaded and trying to shoot someone with it. Even though there is zero chance of hurting anyone, they believe when they aim the gun at someone and pull the trigger that they will hurt or kill that person, and the same is true of someone that believes in prayer or magic and tries to hurt someone with it. To me the crime is in the intent.

That's an interesting perspective.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

This may be a little controversial, but I think people that pray for bad things to happen or cast spells on people should be held accountable as if they've actually physically attempted the act. It would be difficult to prosecute but if someone truly believes praying or casting spells has a real world effect and they use magic or pray for bad things, to me that's no different than someone thinking a gun was loaded and trying to shoot someone with it. Even though there is zero chance of hurting anyone, they believe when they aim the gun at someone and pull the trigger that they will hurt or kill that person, and the same is true of someone that believes in prayer or magic and tries to hurt someone with it. To me the crime is in the intent.

Hmmmm. You might actually have a point there ...

 

[fantome profane]

This may be a little controversial, but I think people that pray for bad things to happen or cast spells on people should be held accountable as if they've actually physically attempted the act. It would be difficult to prosecute but if someone truly believes praying or casting spells has a real world effect and they use magic or pray for bad things, to me that's no different than someone thinking a gun was loaded and trying to shoot someone with it. Even though there is zero chance of hurting anyone, they believe when they aim the gun at someone and pull the trigger that they will hurt or kill that person, and the same is true of someone that believes in prayer or magic and tries to hurt someone with it. To me the crime is in the intent.

For what purpose would we do that? We would charge someone who pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger thinking it was loaded because society has a legitimate interest in discouraging that behavior. Because even if the gun was not loaded it is conceivable that it was. We punish attempted murder in this way because we want to prevent actual murder. We don't do it because we are punishing people for thought crimes, we do it because because we have an interest in discouraging this behavior.

But this does not apply to "magic spells". The is no such thing as a loaded magic ("honestly officer, I didn't think the magic wand was loaded"). If we lived in a universe where some magic spells worked and some didn't, then I might see a point to charging someone even if they used a spell that didn't work. But that is not the universe we live in. Or imagine if we lived in a universe where guns never fired under any circumstances (but they were still produced and kept by people for some unknown reason). If guns never fired it would not be a crime to point one at somebody and shoot, and society would have no interest in preventing that behavior.

Also keep in mind that in this case the person casting the "spell" was not an adult. She was a child. And not only a child, she was a student. The person the "spell" was cast on was a teacher. A person whose job it is to educate the student. If I was that teacher I would encourage that student to cast hundreds of "spells" on me. And even give extra credit for it. And that way she would learn that "spells" do not work (right, education, that is what school should be about).

 

[dgirl1986]

That is ridonkulous. Discpline if you must but expel?

 

[Marisa]

Hmmmm. You might actually have a point there ...

Intetesting as it is I'm not sure I'd go that far. A bit too close to thought crimes for my comfort.

 

[jeager106]

HEY! I had a gypsy woman cast a spell on me once.
Long ago when I was still a patrolmen we found a group of gypsy women working
a well to do neighborhood. Two would knock on the door, one gypsy was always
very pregnant and claimed not to speakee eeenglish. One would ask for water for the
pregnant one & while the elderly were getting water the not pregnant one would dash
for the main bedroom, rip off anything of value and hide the good under her skirt.
We caught and arrested a couple including a very pregnant one.
While on jail check the pregnant one flopped out a huge breast and squirted breast
milk on me.
WTF?
I later found out that was a gypsy curse.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Intetesting as it is I'm not sure I'd go that far. A bit too close to thought crimes for my comfort.

That would be my position. How's to prove witchcraft works?

Send in the witchsmeller?

Anyway, aren't spells generally believed to come back to the caster in some manner? The girl is bound to get a cold or sniffles soon.

All of the sudden I feel a chill. Like it's the 1700's all over again.

Except it's not. ... Its 2015 inside a modern school system With....

Ahem. . a. ...

Rational and intelligent faculty.


*Cough cough. ...* Aw. Man.

Quick, call Principal Charley Bushyhead.

 

[Father Heathen]

This may be a little controversial, but I think people that pray for bad things to happen or cast spells on people should be held accountable as if they've actually physically attempted the act. It would be difficult to prosecute but if someone truly believes praying or casting spells has a real world effect and they use magic or pray for bad things, to me that's no different than someone thinking a gun was loaded and trying to shoot someone with it. Even though there is zero chance of hurting anyone, they believe when they aim the gun at someone and pull the trigger that they will hurt or kill that person, and the same is true of someone that believes in prayer or magic and tries to hurt someone with it. To me the crime is in the intent.

Don't you think that crosses over into thought police territory?

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

If someone actually tried to weave a spell to cause another harm, how is that much different than someone saying to another, "I'm going to kill you?" We punish words if hey incite violence, slander or threaten to do harm.

If action is put into play in order to affect a given outcome, then it's not longer a mere "thought crime"; is it?

 

[Marisa]

That would be my position. How's to prove witchcraft works?

Send in the witchsmeller?

Anyway, aren't spells generally believed to come back to the caster in some manner? The girl is bound to get a cold or sniffles soon.

All of the sudden I feel a chill. Like it's the 1700's all over again.

Except it's not. ... Its 2015 inside a modern school system With....

Ahem. . a. ...

Rational and intelligent faculty.


*Cough cough. ...* Aw. Man.

Quick, call Principal Charley Bushyhead.

Witchsmeller. ROFLOLPIMP

There's a skeptical facebooker that critiqued a video done by a faith healer in Arizona. She's being sued by him for defamation (and copyright infringement). Since he has rejected her kind offer to drop the suit and just donate money to several charitable organizations, one assumes that Mr. Faith Healer is going to have to prove his abilities in court in order to win.

Should be entertaining!

 

[Marisa]

If someone actually tried to weave a spell to cause another harm, how is that much different than someone saying to another, "I'm going to kill you?" We punish words if hey incite violence, slander or threaten to do harm.

If action is put into play in order to affect a given outcome, then it's not longer a mere "thought crime"; is it?

It's not just the words that are punished though, the "victim" has to feel that their life has really been threatened. Sadly, in our society, it's quite common to say "I'm going to kill you" when someone has pissed another off. If we jailed everyone who did that, I wonder if there'd be anyone not in jail?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

can't she sue for religious discrimination. if withcraft is her religion she should be free to practiceit

 

[Twilight Hue]

If someone actually tried to weave a spell to cause another harm, how is that much different than someone saying to another, "I'm going to kill you?" We punish words if hey incite violence, slander or threaten to do harm.

If action is put into play in order to affect a given outcome, then it's not longer a mere "thought crime"; is it?

I'll get you my pretty - Wicked Witch of the West…:

 

[Twilight Hue]

Witchsmeller. ROFLOLPIMP

There's a skeptical facebooker that critiqued a video done by a faith healer in Arizona. She's being sued by him for defamation (and copyright infringement). Since he has rejected her kind offer to drop the suit and just donate money to several charitable organizations, one assumes that Mr. Faith Healer is going to have to prove his abilities in court in order to win.

Should be entertaining!

If I take the story correctly concerning the father of the girl, the court is involved here as well.

 

[freethinker44]

Don't you think that crosses over into thought police territory?

Not at all, it's the difference between wanting to hurt someone and trying to hurt someone. That's why I used the analogy of pulling the trigger on a gun they didn't know was unloaded. It's not punishing for wanting to hurt someone, it's punishing them for trying (and failing) to hurt someone. I don't even need an analogy for this, if someone believes an action will hurt someone and they knowingly perform that action, even if unbeknownst to them performing the action has no actual effect, believing an action to have that effect and executing that action is, to me, equivalent to attempting to commit whatever crime is associated with the intent of the performed action. The fact that the desired outcome was physically impossible is irrelevant. That simply means they failed in their attempt to cause harm.