Global Climate Change Emergency

[Twilight Hue]

I guess the best we can do is to look for consensus.

I prefer cross checking and seeing for oneself directly.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Which is why fact checking is bs. A feel good endeavor because like all collective endeavors, it's prone to corruption and bias like everything else is.

So what do you suggest?
Trust the original source? Never check the source? Never bother fact checking?
Wouldn’t that lead to theism? Wouldn’t that lead to autocracy? Or how about fascist theocracy? A.k.a. - the G.O.P.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I prefer cross checking and seeing for oneself directly.

Against what?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Against what?

Whatever the contention might be.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whatever the contention might be.

"Seeking for oneself" sounds a lot like "I did my own research". Whenever I found people that made that claim they tended to cherry pick articles that seemed to support them and ignored the articles that clearly refuted their beliefs.

Fact checkers that are thought to be reliable are thought to be so not due to their politics, but due to their record. The news that tends to be the most reliable are sources where a large percentage of their income comes from readers. If they lose credibility they lose readers. Far right or far left sources live a precarious life. They have to print based upon what they think that their followers want to hear. That is why FOX News lost quite a bit of their following after Trump lost. They longed to be a reliable news source like they once were. Their commentary was always conservative, but they did use to have several reporters, some of them top notch ones Like Shepard Smith. By following their viewers for too long they lost track of reality and when they tried to return to it deniers of reality left them in droves.

For a news company honest reporting is the most secure route to long term success.. If you want to rise quickly, but also likely fall quickly, then go with the fringe. In the news biz the slow and steady sources are the ones to follow.. The tend to be in the middle when it comes to politics, If there is a crazy person running the country, right or left, they will not be seen as a friend to that organization. That is just the way that it goes sometimes. Some day the conservatives will be reliable again. But it could be a whole generation. Trumpism has ruined the Republican party for now.

 

[Kenny]

Deaths are only one element to the story. As we have more AC in more places life can be protected since the 1920's. But there are other effects, like crops. Energy demand can cause price spikes and loss of power supply. More heat waves are coming and that will affect more people in poverty. Let's note that government programs (socialism to the far right) has done a lot of work to help provide fans and AC units for those who cannot afford them so those in poverty don't suffer and die from exposure to heat.

But we can rejoice in this good news.

 

[F1fan]

I saw in France that they were already having heat wave lockdowns. Banned concerts and outdoor gatherings until government officials declare the heatwave over.
Facts, right? France has determined that the government can decide it’s too hot for you to go outside. COVID lockdowns are sooo last year. Climate lockdowns, here we come!
Oof maybe a bit too much attitudes? My bad chief

The Tour de France is happening now and they have been in the Alps this week, so the higher altitudes mean color temps for the riders. Today was 88 which isn't horrible but in my area we've been riding in 95-100 over the last few weeks, and it takes it's toll. I don't mind the heat myself, but larger riders it does. The Tour has had excellent spectators so far. Of course being in the mountains is cooler than lower altitude.

 

[Wildswanderer]

"Everyone talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it." ( Mark Twain)

That's because we can't change the climate...so why worry about what we can not change?

 

[rational experiences]

Climate change related deaths is spiraling downward.

Average deaths are declining as well. The Danish environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg has reported that climate-related deaths averaged 485,000 a year in the 1920s. Between 2010 and 2019, there was an average of 18,362 annual climate-related deaths. In 2020, the death rate dropped to 14,893. Based on what has been reported, there have been 5,569 climate-related deaths in 2021 so far.

The Collapse of Climate-Related Deaths - HumanProgress

I think your facts wrong.

Any ill health not a C 100 year lived life is a climatic caused death.

Science stated as I caused atmospheric change says the natural life span was 120 by law then by aging it was 100 years. Why C relative to a CH rist review was the genesis medical accepted given 100 value.

Put into dictionary as word value.

About climate. The Heavens.

Sex is why life expresses so we should all be healthy. Same act.

 

[F1fan]

"Everyone talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it." ( Mark Twain)

That's because we can't change the climate...so why worry about what we can not change?

Your personal opinion is invalidated by what experts say. According to experts we humans can help create stability of the climate by changing our behavior and reducing use of fossil fuels.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Everyone talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it." ( Mark Twain)

That's because we can't change the climate...so why worry about what we can not change?

What are you talking about? We already changed the climate. What we need to do is to stop how we are changing it.

 

[Secret Chief]

If you do not accept the premise of the OP, then please, as I said, start your own thread.

(OP clarified).

Thanks.

Alternatively, I'll ask for the deletion of this thread. Deniers please refrain and start your own thread.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What are you talking about? We already changed the climate. What we need to do is to stop how we are changing it.

Lol, dream on. We don't have that much power. I wonder who got blamed for cataclysmic events in ancient times? At least they knew enough to know they weren't the cause.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, dream on. We don't have that much power. I wonder who got blamed for cataclysmic events in ancient times? At least they knew enough to know they weren't the cause.

We do have that power. Do you want to know how we know that man is to blame?

 

[Secret Chief]

UK:

"A national emergency has been declared"

- UK heatwave: Stay safe to avoid excess deaths in hot weather - health boss

 

[Secret Chief]

"Thousands of firefighters are battling wildfires in Portugal, Spain and southwestern France, in the grip of a heatwave that shows no sign of easing.

...

The head of France's firefighters' federation has warned of the impact global warming is having on civil protection. "It's firefighters, civil security who deal with the effects on a daily basis - and these effects aren't in 2030, they're right now," said Grégory Allione.

Heatwaves have become more frequent, more intense, and last longer because of human-induced climate change."

- Europe heatwave: Deadly wildfires spread in Mediterranean

 

[metis]

This was from last summer:

THURSDAY, July 8, 2021 (HealthDay News) -- Climate change has already become deadly enough to cause 5 million extra deaths worldwide each year, researchers report.

"This is the first study to get a global overview of mortality due to non-optimal temperature conditions between 2000 and 2019, the hottest period since the pre-industrial era," said study co-leader Yuming Guo, a professor at Monash University in Australia.

The findings are based on an analysis of global temperature and death data from 2000 to 2019. During that time, global temperatures rose by 0.26 degrees Celsius per decade.

The study authors found that 9.4% of global deaths could be attributed to very cold and hot temperatures, which translated into 74 excess deaths for every 100,000 people, with most deaths caused by cold exposure... -- Climate Change Causes 5 Million Extra Deaths Per Year (webmd.com)

 

[Dan From Smithville]

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Per Rule 10, debating is not allowed in non-debate forums. Please limit your comments to discussion of the OP.

 

[Secret Chief]

18 July 2022:

"The Met Office says we could see Britain's hottest recorded temperature within hours, an extraordinary milestone.

So why are we seeing such brutal temperatures? Most climate scientists say the answer is climate change.

The Met Office estimates that the extreme heat we will be seeing over the next couple of days has been made ten times more likely because of it."

- Climate change: Why is it so hot in the UK?

 

[Secret Chief]

"There is an element of shock at reaching 40C in the UK but really no one should be surprised. Scientists told us this day would come because of climate change and now it’s arrived, it’s likely to happen again."

- Heatwave latest: UK temperature tops 40C for first time on record - BBC News