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Gnostic translations

Wieldthescythe

seeker of knowledge
What is the most accurate and complete version of the gnostic texts that i could purchase?
i currently have "The Lost Scriptures" by Bart D. Ehrman but it does not include all books that were found and some books are not complete.
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Probably the new version of the naghamaddi library...

http://www.amazon.com/Nag-Hammadi-Scriptures-Translation-Complete/dp/0061626007/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

compare, the new translations are in RED

1. A Hebrew person makes a (convert) Hebrew, who moreover is
called thus: a novice (proselyte). Yet a novice does not make
(another) novice. [Some persons] are as they are [...] and also
influence others [to become like themselves, while for the remainder]
it suffices to them that they shall be.

………………………….
A Hebrew makes a Hebrew, and such a person is called a convert. A
convert does not make a convert. [Some people] are as they [are] and
make others [like them], while others simply are.

—Meyer
......

2a The Slave only seeks to be Free, he does not expect to receive the property of his lord. The Son not only acts as a Son, but claims his father’s legacy for himself.
2b Those who inherit the dead are themselves dead, and so they inherit those dead. Those who inherit the living ones are alive and they inherit the living one along with those who are dead. The dead do not inherit anything, for how can someone who is dead inherit the dead? If he who is dead inherits the living he shall not die, but the dead shall be alive.

–Phillip Smith

The slave seeks only to be free, but he does not hope to acquire the estate of his master. But the son is not only a son but lays claim to the inheritance of the father. Those who are heirs to the dead are themselves dead, and they inherit the dead. Those who are heirs to what is living are alive, and they are heirs to both what is living and the dead. The dead are heirs to nothing. For how can he who is dead inherit? If he who is dead inherits what is living he will not die, but he who is dead will live even more.
–Isenburg

The slave desires freedom; the extent of his master’s wealth is of little importance.
The Son, he who is Son, posses the heritage of the Father. To inherit from the dead is to die, to inherit from the living is to live.
The Living One gives us birth and death as our heritage. The dead do not inherit; how could they inherit? If the dead were to inherit from the living, they would live.
–Leloup

2. The slave seeks only to be set free, yet he does not seek after the estate of his master. Yet the son not only acts as a son, but also the father ascribes the inheritance to him.
3. Those who inherit the dead are themselves dead, and they inherit the dead. Those who inherit the Living-One are alive, and they inherit both the living and the dead. The dead do not inherit anything. For how will the dead inherit? When the dead inherits the Living-One, he shall not die but rather the dead shall instead live.
–Patterson Brown

A slave longs for freedom
and doesn’t hope to own a master’s estate.
A child claims the father’s legacy,
But those who inherit the dead are dead.
Heirs to the living are alive
and are heirs to life and death.
The dead are heirs to nothing.
How can the dead inherit?
Yet if the dead inherits the living,
the living wont die and the dead will survive.
–Barnstone

A slave seeks only to be free and does not seek the master’s estate.
For a child it is not enough to be a child, but a child claims the father’s inheritance.
Heirs to the dead are dead, and what they inherit is dead. Heirs to the living are alive, and they inherit both the living and the dead. The dead inherit nothing, for how could a dead person inherit? If a dead person inherits the living, the living will not die and the dead will come to life.
–Meyer
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
The Gnostic Bible by Barnstone is also good, I have not seen the new version though.
This contains more manichaean tracts that are not found in the Nag Hammadi book....etc
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I have the older version of James M. Robinson's Nag Hammadi Library.

It doesn't have the Gospel of Judas. And what prevent it from being great translations are the insufficient notes to understand some of the obscure meanings found in every texts.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
I have the older version of James M. Robinson's Nag Hammadi Library.

It doesn't have the Gospel of Judas. And what prevent it from being great translations are the insufficient notes to understand some of the obscure meanings found in every texts.

The older version was written in a time when the translatiosn were rushed, essentially the scholars wanted those translations out in public domaion. As such then those transaltions are pretty much the same ones that can be found online. This meant that these translations were not only rushed, they weren't exactly that great.

Until the new version of the Nag Hammadi lib. book, there existed a vacuum of others makign their own translations, translations of Jeu, Thomas and Philip for example. Barnstone's "Gnostic Bible" perhaps being arguably the greatest compendium of Gnostic texts at this point.

But now we have the more modern version of the Nag hammadi book, which certainly has a much nicer and pleasing set of translations.

As regards Judas of course, there is a miniature war within academia regarding this book. The standard story that every one knows, being that the book states Judas was not a traitor and was actually just doing God's work...

April DeConick disputes this and states that once again, translation by commitee, with agenda, has produced a grossly skewed vision of the Gospel. DeConick argues that fromt he text we can see that it is a Sethian Gnostic text, which is essentially a stab at the then forming Orthodox Church, with its basis of religion formed around the 12 apostles. Judas (the text) goes on further to state and show how the 12 apostles are actually 12 agents of satan (the demi urge) or archons (rulers). The text further goes on to proclaim that not only was judas a traitor, he is actually the Demi urge incarnate..... Judas of course is not very happy at this revelation!

Thus we see with Judas an academic fight that as been going on for approx 5 years now.....
 
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