God and Science agree -why don't we?

[DarkSun]

Assuming this means what I think it does I've always considered that idea a poorly thought out unnecessary concession to theism. Usually but not exclusively done to appease the whole idea of "belief in belief." All that non overlapping nonsense. It's never been shown that the supernatural exists in any capacity at all.

If I am wrong, disregard

The method through which you've come to this conclusion is a deductive one. The means through which theists decide that their beliefs are true is an inductive one. Because these two views on reality are epistemically different, you can't use one to disprove the other: you can't use inductive reasoning to prove or disprove deductive reasoning, vice versa. And as soon as you try to merge the two, you're running the risk of cognitive dissonance, which is why science can't be used to disprove religion, and religion can't be used to disprove science.

For example, science says nothing of the existence of any notion of God, because there is no empirical evidence for its existence. Using deductive reasoning, you assume no opinion on the matter. But using inductive reasoning, you can make your own personal decision one way or the other (but this is not a scientific opinion). You can still have beliefs about reality that don't necessarily have much empirical evidence, as long as you're able to differentiate opinions based on deduction from those based on induction. This is why religion and science don't conflict with each other if you keep them separate. They don't quarrel, they stand independently of one another.

 

[DarkSun]

Better listen to the admittedly-ex-G-associated person before the new-gen spooks get wind of your perceived defiance and put the kybosh on ya.
hehehehehehehehe

Killing all birds with one psychological stone. Interesting -but not very effective or desireable.

Lose the ego and start listening.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

The method through which you've come to this conclusion is a deductive one. The means through which theists decide that their beliefs are true is an inductive one. Because these two views on reality are epistemically different, so you can't use one to disprove the other: you can't use inductive reasoning to prove or disprove deductive reasoning, vice versa. And as soon as you try to merge the two, you're running the risk of cognitive dissonance, which is why science can't be used to disprove religion, and religion can't be used to disprove science.

Has nothing to do with anything in my post. I would also point out that a part your last sentence is patently false.

For example, science says nothing of the existence of any notion of God, because there is no empirical evidence for its existence. Using deductive reasoning, you assume no opinion on the matter. But using inductive reasoning, you can make your own personal decision one way or the other (but this is not a scientific opinion). You can still have beliefs about reality that don't necessarily have much empirical evidence, as long as you're able to differentiate opinions based on deduction from those based on induction. This is why religion and science don't conflict with each other if you keep them separate. They don't quarrel, they stand independently of one another.

This all but has nothing to do with what I said. The whole non overlapping magisteria thing is claptrap. Primarily because theologies DO in fact attempt to interfere with areas of science. Beyond the most simple division of supernaturalism/naturalism.

 

[DarkSun]

Has nothing to do with anything in my post. I would also point out that a part your last sentence is patently false.

It has a lot to do with mine though. And as to whether that's false depends on what religion and what belief-systems you're talking about. In the general scheme of things, I don't think it is though.

This all but has nothing to do with what I said. The whole non overlapping magisteria thing is claptrap. Primarily because theologies DO in fact attempt to interfere with areas of science. Beyond the most simple division of supernaturalism/naturalism.

Theological intervention in science doesn't conflict with anything I've said. You'll notice I mentioned that people who attempt to do this are running the risk of cognitive dissonance.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

It has a lot to do with mine though

More power to you. But in quoting my earlier post and saying it's based on x you made an implication. Why I posted what I posted did not have anything to do with what you laid out.

And as to whether that's false depends on what religion and what belief-systems you're talking about. In the general scheme of things, I don't think it is though.

Are all religions based in supernaturalism yes or no?

Theological intervention in science doesn't conflict with anything I've said. You'll notice I mentioned that people who attempt to do this are running the risk of cognitive dissonance.

Which STILL has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[DarkSun]

Are all religions based in supernaturalism yes or no?

If you define 'supernatural' as something which goes against 'natural law', then mine isn't, and neither are a lot of other religions. Anyway, my point was simply that science and religion don't have to conflict if you can keep the two separate. That's all I was saying. I don't really feel like arguing this point, so... sorry about that.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

If you define 'supernatural' as something which goes against 'natural law', then mine isn't, and neither are a lot of other religions. Anyway, my point was simply that science and religion don't have to conflict if you can keep the two separate. That's all I was saying. I don't really feel like arguing this point, so... sorry about that.

It doesn't. Naturalism and Supernaturalism are mutually exclusive. That said. It still doesn't answer my question. To be honest it's a trick question. Religions are by definition based in supernaturalism. My original statement had to do with the flaw in the idea of non overlapping magisteria. Namely that nothing has shown that supernaturalism is even a "magisteria" in the first place to be safely separated from science.

If we're examining religion as a purely social phenomenon that it's a non issue.

 

[DarkSun]

To be honest it's a trick question. Religions are by definition based in supernaturalism.

Oh okay. I don't think these conflict with naturalism too much. And in areas that they might, I don't think they conflict with science, per se. Could you please show me where I'm mistaken?

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2107106-post55.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

 

[Etritonakin]

Lose the ego and start listening.

It's not ego. I will no longer listen. If they have truly listened, they will do well -and have no need of me. I have no need or desire of them because of the ways they choose -and because I do now want to be an asset for any, but a person with actual freedom. They want what I cannot give them and hold my life for ransom. This is a self-destructive situation for all involved -especially due to the fact that those compromised by the beast and the witchy spooks he cultivated coordinate even the well-intentioned. You congratulate yourself because you make it seem that you have done this or that -to gain favor. It is flattery. They do what they believe is best for them. They take the intel and leave out the wisdom. They make strategic decisions while the poor of his people still suffer -the widow and fatherless are still their prey. They are still the robbers of Daniel 11:14 -and will fall. No thanks. IIf this situation should change -I don't want to or need to hear about it -especially not 24/7/365. The fruits thereof will be enough report.

I'll be what I am -a solitary man.

I wish you well -but I have to peel off now.

 

[AxisMundi]

I will ask a simple question - If Sexual orientation isn't cognative - how does one know their orientation? There are no scientific studies referenced in your links that address my question. Lets not pretend science that does not exist.

Thank you

Zadok

How does one know how to breath?

How did you know you were hetereo? Probrably the same way I did, having an atraction to the opposite sex.

And my links are statements from a scientific peer review organization.

If you wish to review the mountain of individual research and trials involved, you're in the right place. Knock yourself out.

 

[AxisMundi]

It's not ego. I will no longer listen. If they have truly listened, they will do well -and have no need of me. I have no need or desire of them because of the ways they choose -and because I do now want to be an asset for any, but a person with actual freedom. They want what I cannot give them and hold my life for ransom. This is a self-destructive situation for all involved -especially due to the fact that those compromised by the beast and the witchy spooks he cultivated coordinate even the well-intentioned. You congratulate yourself because you make it seem that you have done this or that -to gain favor. It is flattery. They do what they believe is best for them. They take the intel and leave out the wisdom. They make strategic decisions while the poor of his people still suffer -the widow and fatherless are still their prey. They are still the robbers of Daniel 11:14 -and will fall. No thanks. IIf this situation should change -I don't want to or need to hear about it -especially not 24/7/365. The fruits thereof will be enough report.

I'll be what I am -a solitary man.

I wish you well -but I have to peel off now.

Wonder why people don;t take you seriously?

It's not only the Apologetic twisting of your scriptures, but your pure melodrama and victime mentality as well.

 

[DarkSun]

It's not ego. I will no longer listen. If they have truly listened, they will do well -and have no need of me. I have no need or desire of them because of the ways they choose -and because I do now want to be an asset for any, but a person with actual freedom. They want what I cannot give them and hold my life for ransom. This is a self-destructive situation for all involved -especially due to the fact that those compromised by the beast and the witchy spooks he cultivated coordinate even the well-intentioned. You congratulate yourself because you make it seem that you have done this or that -to gain favor. It is flattery. They do what they believe is best for them. They take the intel and leave out the wisdom. They make strategic decisions while the poor of his people still suffer -the widow and fatherless are still their prey. They are still the robbers of Daniel 11:14 -and will fall. No thanks. IIf this situation should change -I don't want to or need to hear about it -especially not 24/7/365. The fruits thereof will be enough report.

I'll be what I am -a solitary man.

I wish you well -but I have to peel off now.

tl;dr

 

[Sententia]

God and Science agree?

Prove God. Prove Science. Prove they agree.

In other words: :foot:

 

[Etritonakin]

I am taken very seriously -and some who claim to not believe what I say do so to get me to say more. They don't like me -or what I say -but believing it really isn't a choice for long.
I do not have a victim mentality, they have a tyrannical personality. They believe they have the right to do anything to ensure their longevity -when in fact their lack of self-restraint is destroying them, and turning the world against them -not to mention eroding the trust of people at home. They believe that unless you speak sooth to them, you are against them -I do what I do because I don't want them to fall -but I increasingly see it is futile, so at least I've done my part. They wonder why they can't counter the enemy's non-conventional tactics, but they are the example of what not to do -and people see their actions as endorsement.

You still need new glasses. I can't clean yours no matter how much information I give you -it's just used to accomplish exactly what is written.

Suggested but true> Those with the victim mentality are the masses who obey in fear -and their compromised leaders who use the "the bad guy threatened me so I had to do it" defense as they are used to give the enemy leverage against us. I don't obey the enemy -or the people he moves here by the dirt he has on them -though the coordinated law enforcement and intelligence community, etc... under the patriot act, etc... do obey the enemy. The robbers will not out themselves in most cases -and they will allow America to suffer while they try to cover thier stupidity.

iggy temporarily suspended -now reinstated

 

[AxisMundi]

I am taken very seriously -and some who claim to not believe what I say do so to get me to say more. They don't like me -or what I say -but believing it really isn't a choice for long.
I do not have a victim mentality, they have a tyrannical personality. They believe they have the right to do anything to ensure their longevity -when in fact their lack of self-restraint is destroying them, and turning the world against them -not to mention eroding the trust of people at home. They believe that unless you speak sooth to them, you are against them -I do what I do because I don't want them to fall -but I increasingly see it is futile, so at least I've done my part. They wonder why they can't counter the enemy's non-conventional tactics, but they are the example of what not to do -and people see their actions as endorsement.

You still need new glasses. I can't clean yours no matter how much information I give you -it's just used to accomplish exactly what is written.

Suggested but true> Those with the victim mentality are the masses who obey in fear -and their compromised leaders who use the "the bad guy threatened me so I had to do it" defense as they are used to give the enemy leverage against us. I don't obey the enemy -or the people he moves here by the dirt he has on them -though the coordinated law enforcement and intelligence community, etc... under the patriot act, etc... do obey the enemy. The robbers will not out themselves in most cases -and they will allow America to suffer while they try to cover thier stupidity.

iggy temporarily suspended -now reinstated

I rest my case.

 

[DarkSun]

I rest my case.

Owned...