I would personally say more so that whatever pain you send around will breed other pain, and will meet you in another life.
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God and this world?
- Thread starter InvestigateTruth
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What does this have to do with anything?
InvestigateTruth
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The question was, is this world exactly how God or your gods, wanted it to be, or the God(s) wanted it to be different.
And the idea that I can judge relates somehow to that? I'm not following you, which meets my expectations.
InvestigateTruth
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You said They say Saddam did evil, but Saddam thought he is good. I am saying you can judge what the case is for yourself. But seems you are saying there us no evil doings in the world. Even many who are atheists do not disagree that evil doing is very much present in the world. No body else in this thread said that. It is not an Abrahamic thing. The atheists would agree there is evil in the world.
God (if you need to give him/her some sort of a personality) is not someone who has desires or wants that need to be fulfilled by the world being a certain way. You might think of God as the eternally existent tree and the various trillion worlds as the hundreds of varieties of flowers of various shapes, sizes, colors and smells that emerge out of it (but remain part of the tree throughout) and get re-absorbed into it. While being completely dependent on God for its existence, every flower (the universe and its multifarious) beings have complete autonomy to evolve and grow as they wish, thus making every one of them an unique and non-repeating and free and joyous expression of the infinite creative power of God. Birth, evolution, growth, decay, destruction and re-emergence is fundamental to sustain the dynamism of this creative kinetics. Pleasure and Pain are simply the Physico-mental reactions that we have to this flux of change that swings us from one state of being to another. Understand this. Sense and see this free God within yourself, see Him act in you and through and in everything and everyone around you....and you will see that same world that you feel broken and stuff....transformed into something else entirely.
Does this make the evil acts of humans and the suffering induced by such things less true for those who have experienced it? No. But the right understanding stops the pain from becoming suffering. And for the people doing evil acts, you see that they act as they do because their non-awareness has blinded them. And you feel compassion for them instead of hate...like you feel for a sick person who disease is contagious. And you have become vaccinated and hence gain the ability to be the only ones who can come near them and treat them.
I don't judge though. Perhaps that is the point you're missing. I watch others judge. I'm neutral. You have judged certain things to be evil, while others have judged them not to be. I sit back and actually notice that there are two opposing views. I'm the neutral observer. In Hinduism there is no evil, only ignorance.
I think in the beginning, when God said everything was good, that was what God wanted world to be. Obviously it includes also that God wanted people to have chance to reject Him. Unfortunately that people rejected God has led to many sufferings. Luckily God has prepared a way back to him for those who are righteous. So, nothing evil is too bad.
Thiis is not the world that God wanted it to be. Every world will of course have some evil, but this world has a lot more evil than God initially expected. Other planets in the universe for instance have a lot less evil and many advanced planets have no evil at all. But since we all have freewill, God does not control the amount of evil in the world, it is almost entirely up to humanity.
syo
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What's wrong with our messed up societies???
InvestigateTruth
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Treasure Hunter
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We have to learn to hold contradiction. This world is both unacceptable and acceptable to him. It is unacceptable for obvious reasons. It’s acceptable because he doesn’t want to push human individuals too hard to do his will.
Is this world acceptable to you? What do your actions say?
Treasure Hunter
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You say you’re the neutral observer, but you still can’t deny yourself from assuming the position as the truth teller. Can you neutrally observe this? Perhaps you are more complex than how you currently view yourself?
Treasure Hunter
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Is God not sovereign?
Sure I can deny that. I'm not a truth teller, as I don't even know what that is. Can you explain what exactly you mean by that?
God is sovereign. But he has given us freewill and does not plan to control everything that happens on earth.
Treasure Hunter
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Is God not sovereign over what we do with our free will?
Treasure Hunter
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I’ll restate. Perhaps you are not self aware enough to recognize your inability to deny yourself the position of truth teller. No different than the rest of us.
I don't know what you mean. If you let your kids play in the mud, does it mean you have no authority?
All I am saying is that God does not interfere with your exercise of freewill. But whatever you do will eventually be paid for by your karma.
But I don't think God wants there to be so much evil in world. Evil is produced by humanity's own selfishness. Once people stop being that selfish, evil will diminish.
That makes no sense at all, other that it tells my you seem to think you know more about me than I do. It's all good.