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God can't explain anything and there's no rational way to demonstrate otherwise

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
There are no answers to the enormous immensity of the Cosmos,
not even `God` !
 

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
People often try to give God as an explanation of things like morality, the beginning of the universe, etc. But i don't see how God explains anything or could possibly be an explanation.
I think you look at it from a wrong "angle".
You treat "God" as an entity that dictates morality and such.
This is not how you should interpert it.
When saying god is the explanation for morality, it means that God created thing to work in a specific way.

Take a black jack game for example.
There are rules. based on the cards you are dealt, you can take action. you decide what action you take.
The outcome is based on your actions. this is the same with God.
God doesn't tell you that killing is wrong. it tells you that the way to the better outcome is not killing.
If you chose to kill someone, face the consequences.
If you kill someone and see it as a moral thing, that is fine (not really but you know what i mean). but don't think that you believing its moral, makes it really moral.
So "Gods moral" is actually the things you should do or avoid to get the best outcome of... everything actually :)
Its equivalent to "magic" or "pixies" did it.
To use your magic analogy... imagine a magic trick. if you want the outcome to amaze the audience, you need to follow the magicians instruction ;)
Furthermore there's no reasonable way to show that God is an explanation for anything.
Actually, there is.
Matt DIllahunty made the great point that using God as an explanation is just explaining a mystery by appealing to another, greater mystery.
I thought so too in the past :) that cannot be farther from the truth.
If I say that dark matters exists because of super stuff, or some other undefined label, then you haven't explained a thing.
Actually, there is a much more detailed information about things science is just finding out in the bible.
But what happens is, that once science proves something, the response will usually be: Those biblical texts can be interperted to explain anything! (which by the way is only true to our reality, it doesn't seem to explain things like aliens, big foots, dragons or fairies ;) )
Using God as an explanation is just like using super stuff as an explanation.
You said that already :) and the statement still remains false.
if you did try to use that as an explanation, then there's no way to prove it because you can't demonstrate a causal link between something as ambiguous as God did it to some unexplained effect.
Actually you can.
But "god did it" is not a good statement.
It seems like you imagine god literally goes in the street and messes around with things.
The term should be God "programmed" it to happen as it did.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
From at least the biblical perspective, it appears God is a mystery because He is terrified we, supposedly made in His image, have His powers as well. He is actually threatened by two kids eating a fruit and later people building a multi-story building. If He is so completely out of our league, why does that keep Him up at night? It sounds to me like God was once human and got superpowers and then tried to claim a status that was ... misleading. It makes no sense for a completely unrelated being to be terrified we could become like Him. I do not lie awake at night thinking about how some random minnows in a river are going to become full blown US citizens or whatever. The dogs aren't going to tk mah jb.
Confusing speech at Babel postponed our self-destruction until this age (and God will even cut that short so some humans survive).
Keeping man from eternal life until able to keep this mess from the rest of the universe is wise.
In Eden, they knew and did only good.
God wants us to KNOW both good and evil -but DO only good -and that is why he has allowed us to experience evil as we willed to do.
Experience will remedy ignorance -and the wise will eventually tire of evil and do it no more. Those who still will to do it after this life will be separated until they become willing to do otherwise.

Eternal life in misery is about the worst thing that could happen -so we experience for about 120 years -and we do not get off this rock until we are ready to play nice.
 

tayla

My dog's name is Tayla
God can't explain anything and there's no rational way to demonstrate otherwise
Yes, this is correct. God can't explain anything about the physical realm; only science based on the scientific method can do that. And God can't explain anything about the spiritual realm (containing the subjective experience of consciousness and its contents) because, nothing can be known about the structure or functioning of the spiritual realm (certainly not via revealed religion or revealed spiritual paths, perhaps with sound philosophy).
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
`God` can't explain the meaning of `God`.
Only in the simplest thoughts of mankind.
The imagined thoughts are transparent as mist,
and effective as the clouds in a summer sky,
and as destructive as the storms following.
 
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