God created evil

[Thief]

God, in creating man, chose to ignore the rather obvious evil that would result. Divine indifference perhaps, but since when does indifference excuse the Almighty?

God created Man.
Man created evil....or how about 'became evil'?

And God is not allowed to be indifferent?

The attribute of evil is persistent and to the extent...
'Do not call me good. No one is good but the Father'
...the Carpenter of Nazareth.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

God created Man.
Man created evil....or how about 'became evil'?

And God is not allowed to be indifferent?

The attribute of evil is persistent and to the extent...
'Do not call me good. No one is good but the Father'
...the Carpenter of Nazareth.

I see no debate against my statements. I guess we must be in agreement.

 

[Thief]

I see no debate against my statements. I guess we must be in agreement.

Shall I ask you to 'prove' God created evil?....before you go.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Shall I ask you to 'prove' God created evil?....before you go.

You said it yourself: God created man, man created (or became) evil. We've merely been hammering out the details of his creation of evil for the last page. Haven't you been following?

 

[Thief]

You said it yourself: God created man, man created (or became) evil. We've merely been hammering out the details of his creation of evil for the last page. Haven't you been following?

And you think you're in the lead?

Or do you propose that Man could have been perfect in the beginning?
Many believe Man fell from his perfection.

Would it not be the fault of Man?

 

[455SinceFriday]

And you think you're in the lead?

Or do you propose that Man could have been perfect in the beginning?
Many believe Man fell from his perfection.

Would it not be the fault of Man?

How is something that is perfect able to fall??? Doesn't sound perfect to me. Sounds more like they were created flawed.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

And you think you're in the lead?

Or do you propose that Man could have been perfect in the beginning?
Many believe Man fell from his perfection.

Would it not be the fault of Man?

I am stating that God created evil through his creation of man. You have agreed that it was necessary evil, which is evil nonetheless. So what are you caught up on?

 

[Thief]

I am stating that God created evil through his creation of man. You have agreed that it was necessary evil, which is evil nonetheless. So what are you caught up on?

You make the statement as if the evil was the intended result of the creation.
It was not.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

You make the statement as if the evil was the intended result of the creation.
It was not.

But you don't deny God created it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How is something that is perfect able to fall??? Doesn't sound perfect to me. Sounds more like they were created flawed.

God has absolute perfection.
Remember Jesus said only one is good [ absolute perfection ] namely God.

Outside of God's absolute perfection, human creation can have relative perfection as Adam originally had at his creation.

Adam had perfect human health with a perfectly healthy sound heart, mind and body capable of living forever on earth 'IF' obedient to God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I am stating that God created evil through his creation of man.

Wasn't Satan created 'before' man ?

Adam is not called the father of the lie at John 8 v 44, but Satan is.
The word 'father' means: life giver.
Satan is the one who fathered, or gave life the lie, Satan started lies.

Who corrupts themselves according to Deuteronomy 32 v 5 ?

 

[idav]

You make the statement as if the evil was the intended result of the creation.
It was not.

You mean the intended result that God allowed to happen? Did something happen that was not gods will?

 

[Hawkins]

Evil should be defined as doing harm.

As such, can God do evil?....check scriptures.

And your post here indicates mind control if 'evil' is defeated 'once and for all'.

btw...
good and evil refer to the nature of a thing (spiritual)
good and bad refer to the condition of a thing
correct and incorrect to the conclusions of thought.
right and wrong to moral issues.

We don't need to apply your concept about what evil is, as the Bible itself says clearly that "God created evil".

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So the Bible is not to compromise, your concept is.

 

[RisingKnowledge]

According to the Bible (Isaiah 45:7) God creates evil. Why do so many people, especially evangelical types, find this so hard to understand and accept?

Isaiah 45:7 is not about moral evil it is referring to evil in a physical nature .(example storms)

Amos 3:6
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

Natural evil is the punishment of moral evil: God sends the former when the latter is persisted in.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Wasn't Satan created 'before' man ?

Adam is not called the father of the lie at John 8 v 44, but Satan is.
The word 'father' means: life giver.
Satan is the one who fathered, or gave life the lie, Satan started lies.

Who corrupts themselves according to Deuteronomy 32 v 5 ?

Okay, so God created Satan and by doing so created evil (a view completely ignorant of Hebrew tradition). Is it really worth the distinction?

 

[Prophet]

When light was created, its absence was called darkness.

When goodness was created, its absence was called evil.

 

[Thief]

God has absolute perfection.
Remember Jesus said only one is good [ absolute perfection ] namely God.

Outside of God's absolute perfection, human creation can have relative perfection as Adam originally had at his creation.

Adam had perfect human health with a perfectly healthy sound heart, mind and body capable of living forever on earth 'IF' obedient to God.

This would be the portion I say nay to.
Man is a chemistry experiment aimed at producing unique spirit.
Man as a species(Day Six) was developing well.
Man was behaving too much like an animal.

It was the Garden event and manipulation of mind and soul that made the difference.

As for dying.
All die.

 

[Thief]

You mean the intended result that God allowed to happen? Did something happen that was not gods will?

Now we are on to it!

Freewill!

God created Man Day Six, male and female....
'..go forth be fruitful and multiply...dominate all things...'
We did.
Without names...law...or a garden.

Man as a species is bound only by his chemistry.
Predictable as much as an animal in it's limits of ability.
But in Man, the ability to manipulate gave him things animals, do not do.

Still, God was hoping for something more.
The Garden event was a Godly manipulation to set in motion that 'something more'.

A soul.
A spiritual portion that can survive the last breath.

 

[Thief]

When light was created, its absence was called darkness.

When goodness was created, its absence was called evil.

Allow me to work from this......

Your first line refers to the physical.
Your second line refers to the spirit.

Under freewill, you have choice, your next effort.
If you do good...fine and well enough.
If you do evil....it would be you doing it.

Blame God for what you do?

 

[Prophet]

Allow me to work from this......

Your first line refers to the physical.
Your second line refers to the spirit.

Under freewill, you have choice, your next effort.
If you do good...fine and well enough.
If you do evil....it would be you doing it.

Blame God for what you do?

I don't know what part of what I said insinuated that I wish to assign blame to anyone. What good is that? I'm just telling it as it is.

When life was created, it was born with an obligation to selfless service of all. Those who are good are conscious of this obligation, live selfless lives, and bring joy to themselves and all who have the good fortune of their presence . Those who are evil are ignorant of this obligation, live selfish lives, and bring misery to themselves and all who have the bad fortune of their presence.