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God did not create the Universe

ellenjanuary

ellenjanuary

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The objective reality waveform is made up of the most probable subjective reality waveforms. A two thousand year old unspoken prophecy. When First Philosopher declared, "there must be reason;" and Second Philosopher declared, "let us then be reasonable;" it was not an absolute Actual Reality thus created between them. It was a most probable objective reality. Science is bringing the relative to the absolute; but just as it is theoretically possible to accelerate ever closer to light speed, future advances in confirming objectivity will become exponentially smaller.

The god of the gaps is eternal.

And why should there be another god? Science, philosophy, reason and ethics provide for all that is necessary in the material world; yet each of these things are defined subjectively, to the individual. For instance, I believe in relativity, evolution, and mathematics beyond their standard definitions; yet I usually know where theories end and my hypotheses begin. And the smallest possible hypothesis I have, is god. That when time slows as an errant driver accelerates left through the red, and our inertias entangle with a fleshy thud and cries of surprise; the last thing I will do is trust in god.

God does not create, god is.
 
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Skeptisch

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Primordial Annihilator said:
I am sure there is but I do not think there is any qualitive information that proves martyrs are 'hardwired' to be martyrs...they are usually poor disillusioned people...its socio economic.
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You are correct; nobody is hardwired at birth. But Sam Harris is making progress in mapping the adult believer’s brain. The programming, wiring and brainwashing occur through education. Some brains are able to accept miracles and some are not. Some even feel they are in a dialogue with God:

"The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive."
-Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_(author)
 
ellenjanuary

ellenjanuary

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PolyHedral said:
Ewww, quantum mysticism.
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I know, huh? Thanks to that god character, I can never be more than an amateur scientist; there's too much pseudo in my menudo. It is fortunate that I'm not the first mathematician who has heard the voice of god; thus I am something of a known quantity. Yet Cantor, my spiritual progenitor, created a mysticism that remains unresolved a century and a half later... good thing I'm not in a hurry. ;)

Besides, my Gwynnies got her star Monday; my soul is immortalized. Now if only my mind can do something. :D
 
ellenjanuary

ellenjanuary

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Primordial Annihilator said:
I talk to Lucifer.

But he only answers me in my dreams ;)
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I plot with Lucifer. Knowing god is knowing a degree of certainty that I cannot do the right thing, but consorting with the devil prevents me from being absolutely wrong.

On those scales, the serpent in the garden is not the voice of evil, it is the voice of not-god. On these scales, it is the voice of reason.
 
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Skeptisch

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Primordial Annihilator said:
I am sure there is but I do not think there is any qualitive information that proves martyrs are 'hardwired' to be martyrs...they are usually poor disillusioned people...its socio economic.
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They may not be hardwired but their brain synapses seem to be effectively programmed and “properly” connected. As for “poor disillusioned people...its socio economic”, many suicide bombers come not from poverty but from mainstream Muslim society. The 9/11 hijackers were "college-educated" and "middle-class" and suffered "no discernible experience of political oppression.
 
Primordial Annihilator

Primordial Annihilator

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Skeptisch said:
They may not be hardwired but their brain synapses seem to be effectively programmed and “properly” connected. As for “poor disillusioned people...its socio economic”, many suicide bombers come not from poverty but from mainstream Muslim society. The 9/11 hijackers were "college-educated" and "middle-class" and suffered "no discernible experience of political oppression.
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''The evidence from the database largely discredits the common wisdom that the personality of suicide bombers and their religion are the principal cause. It shows that though religion can play a vital role in recruiting and motivating potential future suicide bombers, the driving force is not religion but a cocktail of motivations including politics, humiliation, revenge, retaliation and altruism. The configuration of these motivations is related to the specific circumstances of the political conflict behind the rise of suicide attacks in different countries.''

What Motivates The Suicide Bombers?

It also says this...

''Apart from one demographic attribute – that the majority of suicide bombers tend to be young males – the evidence has failed to find a stable set of demographic, psychological, socioeconomic and religious variables that can be causally linked to suicide bombers’ personality or socioeconomic origins. With the exception of a few cases, their life stories show no apparent connection between violent militant activity and personality disorders.''


So we are both wrong...;)..if by effectively programmed & 'properly' connected you mean religious indoctrination.
 
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steveoh

Member
Stephen Hawking is very smart, i believe all science is true but, there must be a creator, of everything, science is stuff we are able to know while living, on the other hand we will never know our creator until we are dead
 
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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
steveoh said:
Stephen Hawking is very smart, i believe all science is true but, there must be a creator, of everything, science is stuff we are able to know while living, on the other hand we will never know our creator until we are dead
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Incidentally, if as the evidence suggests that our minds are emergent properties of our brains, we won't know anything when we're dead. Tough luck, that :(
 
St Giordano Bruno

St Giordano Bruno

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Explaining the complexity and order of the universe with another complex being such as an intelligent creator makes no sense to me. I think complexity can emerge spontaneously through phase transitions and we can observe that in nature as snowflakes form or complex ice lattices form on puddles as they freeze on a frosty morning. We did not require an intelligent designer to do that that was determined by the molecular structure of water molecules. I think all over the universe as it cools down after the big bang there are many other forms of phase transitions at play such as the nucleosynthesis of carbon atoms.
 
Primordial Annihilator

Primordial Annihilator

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St Giordano Bruno said:
Explaining the complexity and order of the universe with another complex being such as an intelligent creator makes no sense to me. I think complexity can emerge spontaneously through phase transitions and we can observe that in nature as snowflakes form or complex ice lattices form on puddles as they freeze on a frosty morning. We did not require an intelligent designer to do that that was determined by the molecular structure of water molecules. I think all over the universe as it cools down after the big bang there are many other forms of phase transitions at play such as the nucleosynthesis of carbon atoms.
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Chaos is in everything!
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
God did not create the universe ?

Neither scientists nor believers in God have any proof as to what caused the universe.

It may be there was a creator, and that he is different to Our God. ( You do not have to build a house to own control or live in it.)

Those who believe in God usually see him as the Creator... those with out faith are still looking for an explanation.

There is unlikely to be proof either way.

That what we call the universe exists, is not much in doubt.
I am happy to call watever caused it to be so ...God.
 
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