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God dissapears in all religions

Satyamavejayanti

Well-Known Member
johnsweeting;3161438]I have studied many religions and all of them follow the same timeline:

I dont think this is applicable to all religions.

1. God appears for some people and a religion starts (Not applicable to Sanatana Dharma, Ishwar never appeared to any one, nor is there conclusive proof of when Sanatana Dharma started)

2. He makes some miracles and holy scriptures are written about the God or person in question (Not applicable to Sanatana Dharma, Ishwar never made any Miracles, but scriptures are still written)

3. After this the God is never seen or heard from again (Not applicable to Sanatana Dharma)
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I have studied many religions and all of them follow the same timeline:
1. God appears for some people and a religion starts
2. He makes some miracles and holy scriptures are written about the God or person in question
3. After this the God is never seen or heard from again

A lot of monotheist religions really do seem rather Deistic in waiting for Gods final return. Other religions that are more panentheistic may not have that issue.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Johnsweating......I don't think the average person noticed anything dramatic at the time these religions began. They just got recorded that way.

Spiritual intervention in human life has always and still does occur.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, show me and you will be a wealthy person then..... :rolleyes:

What part of "... and there ain't no more to say." is causing a problem?

Actually there is one more thing to say. You claim:

Originally Posted by johnsweeting
I have studied many religions and all of them follow the same timeline:
1. God appears for some people and a religion starts
2. He makes some miracles and holy scriptures are written about the God or person in question
3. After this the God is never seen or heard from again

This is false. If you had studied Hinduism, you would have found it did not start or progress this way. Study harder.

The game is over. 'Kthxbye.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
by research and education

not guessing



yes, your using your imagination to create a definition, based on what? imagination.

and your setting a perfect partial example of how scripture was written.




wrong

faith proves nothing at all

historical research is how we gain knowledge

Ohhhhhhh!!! I get it! You don't believe in God, so neither should anyone else. How silly of me to not realize that! :slap: We've been around this block before and the buildings haven't changed. :rolleyes:
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I guess the "many religions" he studied were all various brands of classical monotheism. I can't see how someone would come to those conclusions otherwise. To be honest, I have trouble seeing how one would come to that conclusion even if one limited to classical monotheism. Except then I remember that it's popular to assume theists are all mythological literalists even though we aren't.
 

arthra

Baha'i
sweet john wrote:

Why does God just disappear in the thousands of religions out there just after the religion is created. To me the answer is obvious because no gods exists but I wonder what religious people say.

The thing is john people are varied in their capacities and have different understandings over time.. God manifests Himself through His Messengers over time and people naturally form religions around these Messengers. So it's not so much "thousands of religions" as it is one religion of God over time.

The Bible has several of these revelations in it's record but God manifested Himself beyond the Bible...

Also Christ's promised return already occurred... more than once!
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Ohhhhhhh!!! I get it! You don't believe in God, so neither should anyone else. How silly of me to not realize that! :slap: We've been around this block before and the buildings haven't changed. :rolleyes:


it has nothing to do with belief in a deity and everything about a open mind and the thirst to learn.

If you understood the first thing about how the abrahamic deity evolved from the Canaanite religion, I doubt we would be having a debate.


god has never dissappeared, because he would have to first appear
 

outhouse

Atheistically
sweet john wrote:

Why does God just disappear in the thousands of religions out there just after the religion is created. To me the answer is obvious because no gods exists but I wonder what religious people say.

The thing is john people are varied in their capacities and have different understandings over time.. God manifests Himself through His Messengers over time and people naturally form religions around these Messengers. So it's not so much "thousands of religions" as it is one religion of God over time.

The Bible has several of these revelations in it's record but God manifested Himself beyond the Bible...

Also Christ's promised return already occurred... more than once!


only messengers?

what makes them special?

Im a messenger, god told me he was born in mythology from ancient men. go figure.


why is anyone else more credible??????????????
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
If you understood the first thing about how the abrahamic deity evolved from the Canaanite religion, I doubt we would be having a debate.

Excuse me, but I do know. You're making a pretty big assumption that I don't know. And I know why Exodus 20:1-4 says what it does.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Excuse me, but I do know. You're making a pretty big assumption that I don't know. And I know why Exodus 20:1-4 says what it does.


no you dont

your wrong, not excused


well the exodus never happened, so what are you talking about.

really??? which god was first El or Yahweh, and who who was married to asherah first, El or Yahweh?
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
You don't want to discuss you want to argue. Find someone else. Have the last word if you want.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
You don't want to discuss you want to argue. Find someone else. Have the last word if you want.

as I suspected your not taking your time and thinking about what your wrote.

you painted yourself in a corner.

Its not about argueing bud, its about the truth and history and not letting theism close your mind.


Here are the facts about the abrahamic deities that turned into a deity

Yahweh was worshipped long before Israelites existed in others mythology.

El was worshipped a long time before Yahweh existed by Mesopotamians who in turn influenced Canaanites.

when Israelites formed from displaced Canaanites after 1200 BC they inherited the deities of their fathers and culture before them. At this time many of the major civilizations had collapsed, and many different semetic communities and people from all over the levant had migrated to the highlands of Israel slowly! The majority were Canaanites though, and not escaped Egyptian slaves as written.

Israelites started worshipping a family of gods, El the father and Yahweh and Baaal the sons. Asherah was Els wife/consort. There were other deities but these 4 were the primary deities. The evolution of these deities was wide and varied. El was the "father" deity and yahweh a warrior deity. In times of war people rallied around yahweh. In times of peace El and Asherah and Baal became more popular.

there were different people loyal to different deities at differnt times. Around 800BC we see yahweh take on all Els traits as the father and Asherah as yahwehs wife. But this was only worshipped by some tribes in some geographic locations. deity worship was dynamic to say the least. At some points we had Yahweh worshipped in the south and El in the north as primary.

It wasnt unti King Josiah around 622 BC who was a strict yahwist reformed the culture to monoheism, which still took hundreds of years to impliment within the religion, none the less, monotheism was born.

yahweh was the new national deity, and books were written and redacted around this new movement within judaism.

Yahweh had taken on all Els traits permanantly and some of Baals as well, Baal and Asherah redacted out of all scripture as primary deities but here traces can still be found. After the fall of the temple in the babylonian exile, all scripture took on more Mesopotamian influences burying the Cananites history and and new Egyptian herritage forged.


the abrahamic deity should not ever be called such because, as a man abraham never existed. And the deity never was abrahamic, it was Canaanite.


This is the real history of Israelites and the OT and the formation and compilation of the deities into a deity.


is this what you knew?
 

4consideration

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Premium Member
No Gods exists....That's why...

Don't you think it is weird that in all 10,000 religions the God figure was only shown in the beginning of all those religions...Once again...10,000 religions...In none of them has the God figure shown himself as he did in the beginning of the religion...This has to ring a warning bell....But of course for religions people in all the 10,000 religions they have a way of ignoring this....

I would be interested to see you name all 10,000 religions that you are referring to and are sure all have the same similarity.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
A lot of monotheist religions really do seem rather Deistic in waiting for Gods final return.

EXCEPT, of course, for those that don't, such as the Baha'i Faith, which stipulates a continual and never-ending series of God-sent Divine Messengers to renew religion and guide humanity!

Peace, :)

Bruce
 
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