God existance in Islam

[Britedream]

Sorry you cannot comprehend the rules.

I asked you a question.


I made no comment about you.

You keep posting supernatural unsubstantiated claims that do not exist in reality as evidence.

I am merely pointing that fact out, and asking if you have a problem with reality, because you seem to be avoiding it in favor of mythology.

Will see how the people in charge of the forum understand this behaiver of yours as well as your friend.

 

[outhouse]

4:56
Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the fire. Once their skins are consumed, We replace them with other ones, so they may feel the punishment. God is the powerful, and Wise.



in this verse God said for punishing the unbelievers, is to replace their skin for them to feel the punishment.

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This never happened in reality, it Is barbaric and primitive that you feel justified to burn the skin off of living people though. :slap:

 

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by Britedream
4:56
Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the fire. Once their skins are consumed, We replace them with other ones, so they may feel the punishment. God is the powerful, and Wise.

in this verse God said for punishing the unbelievers, is to replace their skin for them to feel the punishment.

This never happened in reality, it Is barbaric and primitive that you feel justified to burn the skin off of living people though. :slap:

One may like to understand the meaning of the verse 4:56/57 from:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa'

[4:56] And of them were some who believed in him; and of them were others who turned away from him. And sufficient is Hell as a blazing fire.
[4:57] Those who disbelieve in Our Signs, We shall soon cause them to enter Fire. As often as their skins are burnt up, We shall give them in exchange other skins that they may taste the punishment. Surely, Allah is Mighty, Wise.
1. The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

2. The Holy Quran

Regards

 

[outhouse]

in this verse God said for punishing the unbelievers, is to replace their skin for them to feel the punishment.

Even if it is allegory or metaphor for hell or dead people.

It is still burning their skin off, so they can get new islam extra pain skin


How barbaric

 

[Shad]

Muhammed stated a fact, that science asserted to be true. I gave a link to "Pain Principles", That states how "Nociceptors" in the skin are responsible for feeling the pain. This is so clear.

No the "Noceceptors" are not responsible for feeling pain. It only transmits information to the brain which decodes it as pain or not. As I pointed out we can stimulate pain signals in the brain so pain itself is a produce of the brain. Also 4th degree burns cause muscle and bone damage which damages the nervous system run throughout this tissue. Replacing the skin is meaningless as the neverous system is damaged beyond the skin. This verse states basic observations and provides no details one can not observe on their own. Your miracle is mundane and you require to add details in a post hoc manner to even form an argument.

 

[Tiapan]

Notice how other Muslims have avoided this thread discussion, they do not wish to make fools of themselves, although you would think one of the educated ones would try and help his ignorant brother with a process called logic. In fact this whole thread starts to stink of Trolling. You do a disservice to your religion using nonsense to refute facts and make Islam look pitiful and stupid. It is better than that. Your interpretations are weak, superficial and childish. As you grow up you may gain wisdom and see later how naive you have been. I do find this thread sadly interesting as it does reinforce my concept that religion and especially Islam are dangerous ideologies that are a threat to peace and mankind. Perhaps Allah PBUH with his magical medical skills could put the heads back on the innocent beheaded and "man up" and apologize to the murdered innocents.

Cheers
and peace be upon you too

 

[Britedream]

Notice how other Muslims have avoided this thread discussion, they do not wish to make fools of themselves, although you would think one of the educated ones would try and help his ignorant brother with a process called logic. In fact this whole thread starts to stink of Trolling. You do a disservice to your religion using nonsense to refute facts and make Islam look pitiful and stupid. It is better than that. Your interpretations are weak, superficial and childish. As you grow up you may gain wisdom and see later how naive you have been. I do find this thread sadly interesting as it does reinforce my concept that religion and especially Islam are dangerous ideologies that are a threat to peace and mankind. Perhaps Allah PBUH with his magical medical skills could put the heads back on the innocent beheaded and "man up" and apologize to the murdered innocents.

Cheers
and peace be upon you too

This is not an answer, you are just attacking me. if you can not attack the message attack the Messenger.

 

[Britedream]

No the "Noceceptors" are not responsible for feeling pain. It only transmits information to the brain which decodes it as pain or not. As I pointed out we can stimulate pain signals in the brain so pain itself is a produce of the brain. Also 4th degree burns cause muscle and bone damage which damages the nervous system run throughout this tissue. Replacing the skin is meaningless as the neverous system is damaged beyond the skin. This verse states basic observations and provides no details one can not observe on their own. Your miracle is mundane and you require to add details in a post hoc manner to even form an argument.

If you were to remove the "Noceceptors" from your skin, do you still feel the pain in the skin?. Yes or No.

 

[paarsurrey]

Even if it is allegory or metaphor for hell or dead people.

It is still burning their skin off, so they can get new islam extra pain skin

How barbaric

The heaven and hell are not physical and material, hence your objection is not valid.

Regards

 

[Harikrish]

Originally Posted by Britedream
4:56
Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the fire. Once their skins are consumed, We replace them with other ones, so they may feel the punishment. God is the powerful, and Wise.



in this verse God said for punishing the unbelievers, is to replace their skin for them to feel the punishment.

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So the Quran says only after their skins are burnt and replaced will they feel punishment and not before. Absurd teaching of science suggesting people need skin grafts to start feeling pain. What more can you expect from an illiterate prophet?

 

[Britedream]

So the Quran says only after their skins are burnt and replaced will they feel punishment and not before. Absurd teaching of science suggesting people need skin grafts to start feeling pain. What more can you expect from an illiterate prophet?

Is that how you understand?. why you are trying hard to discredit than to understand?. if I tell you, I will replace the light bulb once burn so it lights again, does that mean that light bulb before it got burn, is not lighting?. you are at fault in your reasoning.

 

[Harikrish]

If you were to remove the "Noceceptors" from your skin, do you still feel the pain in the skin?. Yes or No.

The nociceptors are nerve ending fibres that send signals via the spinal chord to the brain which in turn translates what those signals are. The signals are any change in temperature, pressure, trauma such as pricks and cuts. There are special pain centres in the brain that can identify the type of pain caused. The skin is only a receptor or sensor and like the other senses of sight, touch, taste, smell help the brain manage the entire body.

You can punish your enemy by showing him pictures of his family being tortured. Does that mean the eyes also feel pain?

You have been added as the 801 million Muslim struggling with literacy.

 

[Britedream]

The nociceptors are nerve ending fibres that send signals via the spinal chord to the brain which in turn translates what those signals are. The signals are any change in temperature, pressure, trauma such as pricks and cuts. There are special pain centres in the brain that can identify the type of pain caused. The skin is only a receptor or sensor and like the other senses of sight, touch, taste, smell help the brain manage the entire body.

You can punish your enemy by showing him pictures of his family being tortured. Does that mean the eyes also feel pain?

You have been added as the 801 million Muslim struggling with literacy.

Why can't you answer the question?. either you feel, or you do not, simple Answer. Yes, or No.

 

[outhouse]

The heaven and hell are not physical and material, hence your objection is not valid.

Regards

Factually they are.

They both only exist on Paper. Paper is a physical material.

Anything else is mythology at this point in time.

 

[paarsurrey]

God existance in Islam

G-d is neither a physical nor a spiritual being but an attributive being in Islam:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 2: Al-Baqarah

[2:256] Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
[2:257] There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

There are ninety-nine plus attributes of G-d mentioned in Quran. Only some are given in the above verses.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

God existance in Islam

Remains unproven.

If you have a channel to the only true god, then why your people the most ignorant and violent?


Did you get one of the rejects that let his people fail?

 

[Britedream]

I waited for a while for the simple answer to the simple question, that is related to the subject in science "Pain Principles" that stated "Nociceptors are free (bare) nerve endings found in the skin", which I gave a link to at the university of Texas:

Pain Principles (Section 2, Chapter 6) Neuroscience Online: An Electronic Textbook for the Neurosciences | Department of Neurobiology and Anatomy - The University of Texas Medical School at Houston

And this is the verse that state feeling in the skin:

4:56
Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the fire. Once their skins are consumed, We replace them with other ones, so they may feel the punishment. God is the powerful, and Wise.

According to the university of Texas " Master List of Logical Fallacies":

Personal attack, Argument from Silence;"Science can tell us nothing about God. That proves God doesn't exist.", Playing on Emotions, They're Not Like Us, and Changing the subject, etc. .

I only listed the ones I felt relevant to what is being said in this thread, as respond to this the Question:

If you were to remove the "Nociceptors" from your skin, do you still feel the pain in the skin?. Yes or No.

Why can't the question be answered ?, because there are only two options for the answer; either they feel, or they don't, if they say, yes, they contradict science, and that proves them wrong, if they say, No, they prove my points. so the only alternative is to commit a fallacy in argument, or avoid answering the question, and this is what happened.

So I will recap the Facts that I presented:

1- Quran stated that the skin is replaced so they can feel the punishment, and science asserted this to be true. No one was able to contradict the science or the verse on , if "Nociceptors" are removed, the pain will not be felt in the skin. So the point stands

2- It is not in the human nature to know what doesn't exist. it is easy to refute that, by just telling me what I will post next, word for word. this is should be easy if that is in your nature. So the point stands.

3- science in the link I provided, asserted this specific knowledge about pain in the skin due to the "Nociceptors" are of recent discovery. so the knowledge about this,is not known at the time of the prophet. this point stands as well.

So the conclusion that the above facts lead to, is that if not in human nature to know that, it is not known at that time, and science assert this to be true, then one must conclude some being other than the human must had known that.

That being we call God. so God exists.
The verse is in the Quran, so the Quran must be from him.
A man has brought up this Quran, so this man must be his Messenger.


This settles the case.

 

[paarsurrey]

God existence in Islam

G-d is neither a physical nor a spiritual being but an attributive being in Islam:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 3: Aal-e-`Imran


[3:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[3:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[3:3] Allah is He beside Whom there is no God, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining.
[3:4] He has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel
[3:5] Before this, as a guidance to the people; and He has sent down the Discrimination. Surely, those who deny the Signs of Allah shall have a severe punishment. And Allah is Mighty, Possessor of the power to requite.
[3:7] He it is Who fashions you in the wombs as He wills; there is no God but He, the Mighty, the Wise.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

There are ninety-nine plus attributes of G-d mentioned in Quran. Only some are given in the above verses.

None of the attributes of G-d mentioned above is material, it will be futile to see him or to search for Him with the martial/ physical lenses of science and history etc.

Science and History etc would definitely fail to find or locate Him.

Regards