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God first
- Thread starter Jimmy
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If God created existence, then logic follows that God doesn't exist.
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Are you one of those people who insists that the big bang came from nothing?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What if the big bang was also god's birth?
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Pan-deists believe in the exact opposite. That God died when it created the Universe, and became the Universe. But I like to think your version of events is true instead.
I think it's important to make a distinction between 'universe' and 'existence.' I think we're conflating the two terms here.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But if god exists, how does he destroy existence without destroying himself?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Right, he destroys and creates himself aka existence
One and the same. Everything that exists should be part of spacetime and thus the universe
The universe is an appearance within existence. The universe is temporary and ever changing. Existence is immutable.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That is, unless a multi-verse also exists.
It used to be the case in physics that idd the universe = existence.
Now, they use another term for "all of existence": the cosmos.
The universe is part of the cosmos but not necessarily all of the cosmos.
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
In my opinion, that's pretty cool that you're willing to change your position in accordance with new data and argumentation. That's a great habit to have.
I also think abiogenesis itself is interesting. Have you heard of Particle Life? It's a sandbox sim that illustrates how complex structures can emerge from simplicity. Here's a 17 minute video about it, for anyone who's interested.
No, I don't seriously believe anyone is going to watch a 17 minute video on a minimalist indie sim game that I link to, but I think it's neat so I'm sharing it on the off-chance someone else finds it as interesting as I do.
I also think abiogenesis itself is interesting. Have you heard of Particle Life? It's a sandbox sim that illustrates how complex structures can emerge from simplicity. Here's a 17 minute video about it, for anyone who's interested.
No, I don't seriously believe anyone is going to watch a 17 minute video on a minimalist indie sim game that I link to, but I think it's neat so I'm sharing it on the off-chance someone else finds it as interesting as I do.
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
Interestingly, one could create a falsifiable model of God if we assume that Heaven existed eternally before our finite universe and that our spatio-temporal dimensions split off from Heaven's. Heaven would then literally exist in higher dimensions adjacent to the ones we inhabit.
The existence of such dimensions, especially a second temporal dimension that stretches back eternally, are not only within the realm of possibility but they would have measurable effects on the universe we observe.
I don't think such a Heaven exists, but it would make for interesting science fiction.
If we define existence as a physical phenomenon and god or gods as a spiritual phenomenon we might satisfy the possibility of a god or gods.
We don't.
I define existence as the substrate on which physical phenomenon and god or gods as a spiritual phenomenon appear.
My " If we define existence as a physical phenomenon, etc" was only a suggestion, a premise for the purpose of discussion. Your definition is a declaration of Theistic belief unless I misunderstand it.....I don't enjoy that luxury.
My definition does not necessarily declare theistic belief. Yes, gods exists for many, yet for others they do not exist, and yet others are uncertain if they exist. So it could declare atheistic or agnostic belief (or lack thereof).
Thank You for the additional information........