God gave us mind to know Him,or deny Him?

[Shad]

Hello all


This idea comes to my mind,as Muslim believer,I find it strange how some people try to deny Creator/God because they thought the human science is reach max level,it's could give explaination to eveything,and give solution to every engima/problem...etc

Yes it provided an explanation to what caused lightning, until we figure it out. Same for disease, mental illness, etc. All were God did it, or Satan, until we tossed these answers aside to actually study a subject. Now we do not treat mental illness with exorcism as we developed a better understanding. God is always the answer when we can't, or wont, develop a better explanation

Is not just ingratitude against God,to use that favor against Him !!?

No it a rejection of conclusions made by ignorance people that didn't know better nor felt a need to develop a better explanation. You are equating claims of men with God.

 

[Kirran]

I will not begging to people to be sincer.
they suppose behave .

I'm just explaining a point about theism, evolutionism, atheism and creationism. I'm not talking about people's behaviour.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm just explaining a point about theism, evolutionism, atheism and creationism. I'm not talking about people's behaviour.

I know.
that's was not my point either.

 

[Kirran]

I know.
that's was not my point either.

OK, then maybe I didn't understand. What did you mean about not begging people to be sincere, but thinking they were supposed to behave?

 

[Godobeyer]

OK, then maybe I didn't understand. What did you mean about not begging people to be sincere, but thinking they were supposed to behave?

When I reply.

As most of atheists , believe in "millions of years...etc" theories instead of God.

You said this

Again, I believe in God. I believe millions of years have passed. God isn't so small as you make Him out to be.

So I ask you,if this question is not suppose to be adresse to me because I believe in God,and millions of years.

Is this message to me or @LuisDantas ?
it's would be clear hypocrisy IF you say that you talking to me.because I believe in God and millions of years have passed.

You said that it's adress to you because :

I was making it as a general point really, but partly because you do seem to strongly feel that it's creationism/theism vs. evolutionism/atheism. Whereas I'm a theist, an evolutionist and a creationist all at once.

l.

Yes , it's known atheism and theism oppose to each other. and also evolutionism and creationism at point of origin of life.

 

[LuisDantas]

As most of atheists , believe in "millions of years...etc" theories instead of God.

Uh? No, that is not even close to the truth. Such a choice does not present itself to me.

I don't "believe" in evolution nor in cosmology as such, and certainly not as an "alternative" to belief in God.

God is not an explanation for anything. He would not be an explanation even if we knew nothing at all about the origin of life, of Earth or of existence itself.

Conversely, were I inclined to believe in a Creator God, that would be no reason to neglect the available knowledge of cosmology and biology, either.

As believer, I believe God gave you/us (not you gave your self) a mind and body, everyone used them the way he want.

Your privilege. But as I said, that does not explain why God apparently doesn't mind disbelievers while many believers seem to be so troubled by our existence.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes , it's known atheism and theism oppose to each other. and also evolutionism and creationism at point of origin of life.

Evolutionism only opposes Creationism because Creationism is defined by the denial of biological knowledge.

There is no true reason why an evolutionist can't believe in a Creator God.

 

[Godobeyer]

Evolutionism only opposes Creationism because Creationism is defined by the denial of biological knowledge.

I disagree on this definition. creationism never ever deny biological knowledge.

There is no true reason why an evolutionist can't believe in a Creator God.

I know.

 

[LuisDantas]

I disagree on this definition. creationism never ever deny biological knowledge.

The Creationism I know is nothing but denial of biological knowledge, sprinkled liberally with unconnected appeals for belief in God.

 

[Kirran]

If creationism denies evolution, then it becomes denial of biological knowledge. Otherwise, not necessarily.

 

[Godobeyer]

The Creationism I know is nothing but denial of biological knowledge, sprinkled liberally with unconnected appeals for belief in God.

Not true.

 

[columbus]

Hello all


This idea comes to my mind,as Muslim believer,I find it strange how some people try to deny Creator/God because they thought the human science is reach max level,it's could give explaination to eveything,and give solution to every engima/problem...etc

Is not just ingratitude against God,to use that favor against Him !!?

There is only one thing I know about Creator/God absolutely and beyond any doubt.
He doesn't care about what I believe about religion enough to give me a reason to believe in one. The truth is the opposite. He has given me a mind that tries to tell the difference between what is real and the fiction people commonly invent. Islam, like every other revealed religion, falls squarely into the second category of fiction.

If there were an Almighty God who wanted me to believe something else, I would. Heck, I believe in the existence of Algeria and I have never been there. I am perfectly willing to believe in things I don't personally have evidence about. But if someone told me something really implausible, like Algeria is on the moon, I am not denying the existence of Algeria. Just the implausible claim.

It's the same with Creator/God. The universe exists, so I believe that there is a reason for that. I call the reason God, for lack of a better word. But when humans start telling me stuff like "God doesn't want you to eat bacon" or "God can't do anything about little kids getting parasitical infections" or "God is grossed out by gay sex" I cannot believe that you know anything important about God. So I assume that you and your prophets made it up.

I don't mean to pick on Islam, it's better than most religions people have invented over the thousands of years. But it isn't any more believable to me than pagans worshiping a volcano or something.
Tom

 

[Godobeyer]

There is only one thing I know about Creator/God absolutely and beyond any doubt.
He doesn't care about what I believe about religion enough to give me a reason to believe in one.

How you know for sure He does not care about what you believe?

If there were an Almighty God who wanted me to believe something else, I would. Heck, I believe in the existence of Algeria and I have never been there. I am perfectly willing to believe in things I don't personally have evidence about. But if someone told me something really implausible, like Algeria is on the moon, I am not denying the existence of Algeria. Just the implausible claim.

I just made a thread about Algerian historic site, weclome to Algeria

It's the same with Creator/God. The universe exists, so I believe that there is a reason for that. I call the reason God, for lack of a better word. But when humans start telling me stuff like "God doesn't want you to eat bacon" or "God can't do anything about little kids getting parasitical infections" or "God is grossed out by gay sex" I cannot believe that you know anything important about God. So I assume that you and your prophets made it up.

I don't mean to pick on Islam, it's better than most religions people have invented over the thousands of years. But it isn't any more believable to me than pagans worshiping a volcano or something.
Tom

You passed the test you almost win

 

[Godobeyer]

If creationism denies evolution, then it becomes denial of biological knowledge. Otherwise, not necessarily.

do you think creationism denies evolution ?

 

[columbus]

ow you know for sure He does not care about what you believe?

Because all He would need to do is tell me something and I would believe it.

Telling you to tell me what your imam tells you to believe about the Quran is completely different from God telling me something.
Tom

 

[columbus]

I just made a thread about Algerian historic site, weclome to Algeria

You care enough to tell me about Algeria. And there is nothing implausible about your evidence.
Why is there no God who takes that much interest in my religious beliefs? He doesn't have internet in Heaven yet?
Tom

 

[columbus]

You passed the test you almost win

Maybe I am ahead. Maybe God likes bacon more than @Revoltingest
Tom

 

[Kirran]

do you think creationism denies evolution ?

Not necessarily. I think all form is created afresh in each moment within God's being.

 

[Godobeyer]

Because all He would need to do is tell me something and I would believe it.

Telling you to tell me what your imam tells you to believe about the Quran is completely different from God telling me something.
Tom

Because all He would need to do is tell me something and I would believe it.

Telling you to tell me what your imam tells you to believe about the Quran is completely different from God telling me something.
Tom

Btw do you believe that you will be resurrection, and eternity life ...etc ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Not necessarily. I think all form is created afresh in each moment within God's being.

Good.

Do you think creationism oppose to evolution ?