Jesus has been dead for 2000 years. He stopped disagreeing with anybody.
Tom
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God Has A Name.?!
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Tom
Desert Snake
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You contradicted yourself. First you make a claim about ''who'' Jesus would 'agree' with, then you state that no one knows what Jesus thought about anything, and don't claim to speak for him ,//which you just did, earlier,
Which is it? It can't be both.
Which is it? It can't be both.
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Not really.
The problem here is that Christians often say "Jesus said...." when it would be accurate to say "Someone says that Jesus said..."
If Christians were more accurate in their claims there wouldn't be this sort of misunderstanding.
Tom
Do we both understand that this is so irrelevant it's more than a bit disingenuous?
Way over a billion theists agree that God doesn't include Jesus. More theists agree that Jesus isn't God than there are nontheists.
Tom
Jesus is not a name of god according to over a billion theists.
Including the vast majority of monotheists.
Tom
Desert Snake
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That's great, but then we have to ask, why are these 'Christians', following some random fisherman Rabbi, who according to you, no one even knows, what he thought about anything?
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Good question.
Why do they? Why do they ignore Moses and put so much Faith in the people who invented Trinitarianism?
If Jesus did that I see no sign of it.
I have opinions about why people decided to go with Trinitarianism, despite stern warnings from Moses &Co. But they don't matter to Christians of Faith.
Tom
rosends
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I think the problem is in the understanding of what a "name" is. I'm not playing semantic games, here, so bear with me.
We think of a name as a label which excludes both other names, and other people. But as God is inclusive of everything, no one label can capture all and exclude anything and yet still identify a unique concept which excludes other ideas. So Judaism has a series of "names" which don't serve to identify and limit, but to label aspects, because no one name can capture an infinite essence. In Judaism, we see the text as giving a few different options, depending on the aspect of God we are addressing, plus we understand that a variety of other combinations of letters (some MUCH longer than 4 letters) are also names of God. I recall (vaguely) reading an opinion that says that the entire Torah is one long name of God and one that says that any combination of Hebrew letters is a name of God because of the inherent holiness of the language. Clearly, "name" must refer to something else other than something found on a "Hello my name is __________" sticker.
We think of a name as a label which excludes both other names, and other people. But as God is inclusive of everything, no one label can capture all and exclude anything and yet still identify a unique concept which excludes other ideas. So Judaism has a series of "names" which don't serve to identify and limit, but to label aspects, because no one name can capture an infinite essence. In Judaism, we see the text as giving a few different options, depending on the aspect of God we are addressing, plus we understand that a variety of other combinations of letters (some MUCH longer than 4 letters) are also names of God. I recall (vaguely) reading an opinion that says that the entire Torah is one long name of God and one that says that any combination of Hebrew letters is a name of God because of the inherent holiness of the language. Clearly, "name" must refer to something else other than something found on a "Hello my name is __________" sticker.
Every one of these questions and claims would take a thread for me to seriously respond to. I've read the Bible and listened to a lot of people and thought about the subject and conversed with folks who have dramatically different opinions on the many subjects.
Would you like to start another thread? Want me to do it?
How about you PM me.
Tom
Desert Snake
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I'm not going to , if you do, I'll just take a gander at that thread/s/
Do I have your permission to quote your posts?
Tom
Desert Snake
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Actually, you can quote any of my posts, on the forums
Desert Snake
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I also would caution against that argument, as many of those 'theists', would also presumably think (among other things), that there is some magical salvific implications, to ritual mutilation/ie circumcision.
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Jedster
Flying through space
Thanks...post corrected.
It's amazing what such a small change can make....almost scary when one thinks about the number of sacred texts in the world.
dr.melony666life
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The name of the only god is - Satan Luciferi 666 !!
Reality.
There are about 1.5 billion Muslims alone, maybe 2. Then there are the Jews and Hindus and indigenous and shinto and. ....
Most theists don't consider Jesus to be god.
Tom
No.
You keep dodging the answers I give to your questions and assertions. You said something about a "common nontheists" belief or something. I pointed out that it is actually more common amongst theists.
Nope.
Why? You want something else to dodge around?
Tom
Desert Snake
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Hence the belief that is common among non-theists, is also ''common'', among theists. How does that make my comment wrong?
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