God Has A Name.?!

[COGTHW]

Jesus Christ is God name. According to Scriptures. He said it. John 3:43 'I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.' Jesus Christ is God name.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Careful there - that "scripture" that you quote from John is NOT even Johns original words.. He himself is NOT the author of that canon version - and indeed the author there never even met or knew John or Christ directly.. The bible canon is a secondhand twisted version of an original truth.. If we want THAT ORIGINAL truth of Christ as HE spoke it directly - then it really is quite essential, we must put the bible down and go look AT those original gospels instead - the ones the disciples DID ACTUALLY author themselves - first hand direct accounts..As He told Judas directly :

“Come, that I may teach you about secrets no person has ever seen. For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen,
in which there is a great invisible Spirit, which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.
“

There you go - pretty straight forward and direct - this Great Spirit He teaches us of - this SOURCE of all Creation - He says adamantly - NOBODY has EVER encountered it before HIM - NOT EVEN THE ANGELS He says - yes..?.. As I say elsewhere - THIS "god" is NOT that so called "god" they ALREADY know - it not that one we now xall Yhvh or Yahweh or ANY of those names - because look and see the truth -he just told us - nobody EVER encounteres THIS Spirit before and so IT HAS NEVER BEEN GIVEN A NAME !!!

Entirely new and unknown Spirit He teaches us of here.. Elsewhere - in the ORIGINAL gospel of John - He will go to great length and detail - to clear up this religious confusion - and He makes it step by step clear and undeniable, that the Hebrew "god" Yhvh / Yahweh - is NOT this sovereign spirit He NOW reveals.. In fact He explains it all so intricately that He actually tells us explicitly NOT to even TRY to name it as it is simply far far FAR BEYOND MORTAL COMPREHENSION and we simply are not capable , are not "worthy" - have no AUTHORITY over it at all and so should not give it a name at all...

His - is a purely METAPHYSICAL TRUTH - He is explaining the ACTUAL SOURCE of creation itself !!

Here, this may help - if I say - that only CREATURES are designated a NAME.. The CREATOR itself bestows the name UPON the thing so created..Always this is so - the creator has AUTHORITY to do this - the creature has no such.. The name itself..?...is a WORD - an di n a purely metaphysuical sense the WORD literally DEFINES the Creation - DEFINES THE CREATURE - therefore the name assigned TO the creature is a SYMBOL of that particular creation event.....May be hard for some to grasp the concepts - but try to let it sink in deep - see the implications here..?...Yhvh / Yahweh - is a NAMED ENTITY - and that is because it is a CREATURE - created BY the process but NOT the SOURCE of Creation itself - it IS a creature exactly like You and I are and therefore it HAS been NAMED exactly like all creatures are

Christ though goes far beyond all that - as said - right to the SOURCE Itself - explains all this metaphysical truth fully - what the Father ACTUALLY is - how and why it happens - the order and heirachy to the created worlds and their Souls that inhabit them - and it soon becomes abundantly and undeniably clear that Our Father is NOT that god of the Hebrews...This issue of a "name" is just one aspect He uses to emphasie His truth.. Yhvh / Yahweh is NOT Our Father - for those with ears to hear...

 

[Desert Snake]

Hi Folks..

Careful there - that "scripture" that you quote from John is NOT even Johns original words.. He himself is NOT the author of that canon version - and indeed the author there never even met or knew John or Christ directly.. The bible canon is a secondhand twisted version of an original truth.. If we want THAT ORIGINAL truth of Christ as HE spoke it directly - then it really is quite essential, we must put the bible down and go look AT those original gospels instead - the ones the disciples DID ACTUALLY author themselves - first hand direct accounts..As He told Judas directly :



There you go - pretty straight forward and direct - this Great Spirit He teaches us of - this SOURCE of all Creation - He says adamantly - NOBODY has EVER encountered it before HIM - NOT EVEN THE ANGELS He says - yes..?.. As I say elsewhere - THIS "god" is NOT that so called "god" they ALREADY know - it not that one we now xall Yhvh or Yahweh or ANY of those names - because look and see the truth -he just told us - nobody EVER encounteres THIS Spirit before and so IT HAS NEVER BEEN GIVEN A NAME !!!

Entirely new and unknown Spirit He teaches us of here.. Elsewhere - in the ORIGINAL gospel of John - He will go to great length and detail - to clear up this religious confusion - and He makes it step by step clear and undeniable, that the Hebrew "god" Yhvh / Yahweh - is NOT this sovereign spirit He NOW reveals.. In fact He explains it all so intricately that He actually tells us explicitly NOT to even TRY to name it as it is simply far far FAR BEYOND MORTAL COMPREHENSION and we simply are not capable , are not "worthy" - have no AUTHORITY over it at all and so should not give it a name at all...

His - is a purely METAPHYSICAL TRUTH - He is explaining the ACTUAL SOURCE of creation itself !!

Here, this may help - if I say - that only CREATURES are designated a NAME.. The CREATOR itself bestows the name UPON the thing so created..Always this is so - the creator has AUTHORITY to do this - the creature has no such.. The name itself..?...is a WORD - an di n a purely metaphysuical sense the WORD literally DEFINES the Creation - DEFINES THE CREATURE - therefore the name assigned TO the creature is a SYMBOL of that particular creation event.....May be hard for some to grasp the concepts - but try to let it sink in deep - see the implications here..?...Yhvh / Yahweh - is a NAMED ENTITY - and that is because it is a CREATURE - created BY the process but NOT the SOURCE of Creation itself - it IS a creature exactly like You and I are and therefore it HAS been NAMED exactly like all creatures are

Christ though goes far beyond all that - as said - right to the SOURCE Itself - explains all this metaphysical truth fully - what the Father ACTUALLY is - how and why it happens - the order and heirachy to the created worlds and their Souls that inhabit them - and it soon becomes abundantly and undeniably clear that Our Father is NOT that god of the Hebrews...This issue of a "name" is just one aspect He uses to emphasie His truth.. Yhvh / Yahweh is NOT Our Father - for those with ears to hear...

More likely, Jesus was addressing idolatry

 

[dr.melony666life]

 

[dr.melony666life]

I hate jesus

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Syncretic; Ah - NO my friend - definately not talking about idolatry - read the quote I present above again to see clearly...He tells Judas specifically :

Come, that I may teach you about secrets no person has ever seen. For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen,
in which there is a great invisible Spirit, which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.

He is not speaking about ANYTHING that they ALREADY know....SECRETS never before revealed He says, yes..??...NOT the Hebrew god then that all already worship - and just as obviously NOT "other gods with idols" which they would ALSO ALREADY KNOW (or how can they even make an idol of it) !!

His statement says very precisely that what HE ALONE now teaches us of - absolutely NO SOUL here had EVER known before - not even these Angels above He said so adamantly - and that tells us undeniably that the Father HE reveals now - is NOT - CAN NOT BE - either the Hebrew god or ANY OTHER so called god from any pantheon from any culture - NONE of them are the Father He says as NOBDOY EVER has encountered THIS spirit before...

 

[Desert Snake]

Hi Folks..

Syncretic; Ah - NO my friend - definately not talking about idolatry - read the quote I present above again to see clearly...He tells Judas specifically :



He is not speaking about ANYTHING that they ALREADY know....SECRETS never before revealed He says, yes..??...NOT the Hebrew god then that all already worship - and just as obviously NOT "other gods with idols" which they would ALSO ALREADY KNOW (or how can they even make an idol of it) !!

His statement says very precisely that what HE ALONE now teaches us of - absolutely NO SOUL here had EVER known before - not even these Angels above He said so adamantly - and that tells us undeniably that the Father HE reveals now - is NOT - CAN NOT BE - either the Hebrew god or ANY OTHER so called god from any pantheon from any culture - NONE of them are the Father He says as NOBDOY EVER has encountered THIS spirit before...

You aren't providing any verses. There really isn't any context here, to discuss.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Syncretic; Ah I DID provide verse as well - a quote form JUDAS just as I said - ORIGINAL gospel from which the "canon versions" in the bible are taken...Read the ORIGINAL TRUTH here http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/_pdf/GospelofJudas.pdf

Context..??...Hmm - the context is amply clear just from the words He uses above - SECRETS that not even Angels know - the context then is a COMPLETELY NEW TRUTH that none have ever known before - the context is this truth alone and precludes any and all PREVIOUS truths, as He just told us adamantly that THIS truth is ENTIRELY new

That would be the bigger context and His main motive for any of this and for His entire life among us was to deliver this NEW TRUTH directly - but specifically, He says that above because Judas has just had a vision that he doesnt understand and thta trouble shim deeply.. Actually they ALL have a vision - the other 11 have the SAME vision of a corrupt and evil FUTURE CHURCH - which Christ explains this is the FUTURE - is to become THEIR LEGACY - a corrupt institution that bares the name of Christ but does all manner of atrocious evil acts !! They have a PREMONITION of the future church and how it will evolve and become defiled !!! Read it there first in ORIGINAL Judas - then go compare to ACTUAL HISTORY - and see YES indeed that prophesy comes true fully - the church they describe in THAT vision IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH that bares Christs name - a wholly CORRUPT institute that Christ is openly ASHAMED of here !!

Remember as you (all) read of that vision - it is a prophesy from over TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO - and yet it comes true PRECISELY and undeniably doesnt it..??..ALL the things decribed IN the vision recorded here in Judas - this catholic church will become renowned and infamous for - and there can be no doubt - it IS the future cathoic church they describe as Christ says directly that THIS IS THEIR LEGACY - it starts with the disciples and continues with others appointed in their name for genearations to come!!

So context - they ALL ask Christ to explain their shared vision of this church - He is most scathing of it - read it for the Self(s) to see His truth and the truth of this institution...Whilst the other 11 are having this SHARED vision - Judas too has a vision of a spiritual realm that he cannot actually enter....he becomes so confused and fearful that he asks Christ directly for his truth, his fate - says to Him that he (Judas) is worried in case an "evil force" has corrupted him so he cannot attain paradise as in his vision he cannot enter the realm at all and all the other disciples turn on him and stone him to death.. Why didnt I share their vision he asks..?..why am I alone given this other one ..??...And so Christ explains the truth to him - tells him the realm he witnessed in his vision is not for mortals so yet Judas can not enter - tells Judas of his own unique fate - practically orders Judas to betray Christ to the rabbis - then reassures Him by giving him this new truth of the legitimate Father as I am presenting it here...Tells Judas directly of this unknown SOVEREIGN spirit and realm and reassures Him all will be well and what Judas must do is necassary and vital...

There is no mistake - the Hebrew god is NOT the Father He alone teaches us of..There are lots and lots of little snippets of conversation between Christ and disciple that shows this to be undeniable truth - and as advised the ORIGINAL gospels authored BY disciple and fully claimed BY disciple directly are the ONLY authentic accounts to trust here - the bible itself is a twistng of this original truth

 

[rusra02]

The God of heaven, Creator, Living Fire, LORD God, I Am, Elohim, El-Elyon, JEHOVAH,etc. All these are titles but God of those titles have a name. ( By Scriptures Do You Know This Name.? )

'And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.' Zechariah 14:9

Of course the true God has a name. Isaiah 42:8 affirms; "I am Jehovah. That is my name." This Name occurs some 7,000 times in the Bible and uniquely identifies the one true God. This name has been removed without any justifiable reason in many translations but consistently appears in the earliest Bible manuscripts.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He said it. John 3:43 'I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.' Jesus Christ is God name.

He didn't come in his own name, as god. He came in his father's name, as his [the father's] son. This is an exact support that jesus is not god's name nor is god.

"In His Name" is a clear indicator you are talking about the son not the father.

 

[Desert Snake]

Hi Folks..

Syncretic; Ah I DID provide verse as well - a quote form JUDAS just as I said - ORIGINAL gospel from which the "canon versions" in the bible are taken...Read the ORIGINAL TRUTH here http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/_pdf/GospelofJudas.pdf

Context..??...Hmm - the context is amply clear just from the words He uses above - SECRETS that not even Angels know - the context then is a COMPLETELY NEW TRUTH that none have ever known before - the context is this truth alone and precludes any and all PREVIOUS truths, as He just told us adamantly that THIS truth is ENTIRELY new

That would be the bigger context and His main motive for any of this and for His entire life among us was to deliver this NEW TRUTH directly - but specifically, He says that above because Judas has just had a vision that he doesnt understand and thta trouble shim deeply.. Actually they ALL have a vision - the other 11 have the SAME vision of a corrupt and evil FUTURE CHURCH - which Christ explains this is the FUTURE - is to become THEIR LEGACY - a corrupt institution that bares the name of Christ but does all manner of atrocious evil acts !! They have a PREMONITION of the future church and how it will evolve and become defiled !!! Read it there first in ORIGINAL Judas - then go compare to ACTUAL HISTORY - and see YES indeed that prophesy comes true fully - the church they describe in THAT vision IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH that bares Christs name - a wholly CORRUPT institute that Christ is openly ASHAMED of here !!

Remember as you (all) read of that vision - it is a prophesy from over TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO - and yet it comes true PRECISELY and undeniably doesnt it..??..ALL the things decribed IN the vision recorded here in Judas - this catholic church will become renowned and infamous for - and there can be no doubt - it IS the future cathoic church they describe as Christ says directly that THIS IS THEIR LEGACY - it starts with the disciples and continues with others appointed in their name for genearations to come!!

So context - they ALL ask Christ to explain their shared vision of this church - He is most scathing of it - read it for the Self(s) to see His truth and the truth of this institution...Whilst the other 11 are having this SHARED vision - Judas too has a vision of a spiritual realm that he cannot actually enter....he becomes so confused and fearful that he asks Christ directly for his truth, his fate - says to Him that he (Judas) is worried in case an "evil force" has corrupted him so he cannot attain paradise as in his vision he cannot enter the realm at all and all the other disciples turn on him and stone him to death.. Why didnt I share their vision he asks..?..why am I alone given this other one ..??...And so Christ explains the truth to him - tells him the realm he witnessed in his vision is not for mortals so yet Judas can not enter - tells Judas of his own unique fate - practically orders Judas to betray Christ to the rabbis - then reassures Him by giving him this new truth of the legitimate Father as I am presenting it here...Tells Judas directly of this unknown SOVEREIGN spirit and realm and reassures Him all will be well and what Judas must do is necassary and vital...

There is no mistake - the Hebrew god is NOT the Father He alone teaches us of..There are lots and lots of little snippets of conversation between Christ and disciple that shows this to be undeniable truth - and as advised the ORIGINAL gospels authored BY disciple and fully claimed BY disciple directly are the ONLY authentic accounts to trust here - the bible itself is a twistng of this original truth

This isn't part of standard Bible canon, however, if this is your argument, then using the actual Bible Scripture, to argue for or against this position, is going to be problematic.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Here, you state that G-d has no name, /presumably, titles

Yes. God has no name. The Creator. Savior. Christ. Almighty. et cetera are all attributes and titles given to someone or something by its nature, cannot be defined. If you were to define it, you'd be acting as god. The whole OT gave consequences for trying to define god.

Jesus being one of the names of G-d, /how traditional Jesus adherents sometimes refer to G-d.

Jesus isn't god's name. The only way that would make sense if the OT wasn't part of the Bible. Since it is, and Jesus' reference to the OT, to say Jesus is god is an insult to jesus. His own apostles where treating him as if he were the father, and jesus had to keep correcting them saying that I came in my father's name but the power, he knowledge, the gifts I give, et cetera do not come from me but from my father.

That separation in character between son and father doesn't make the son less worthy or anything like that. It's just mainstream Christians, in my opinion, can't think of jesus christ as a human that god perfected as a savior. Seeing themselves as a sinful nature, of course, thinking of jesus as human, says that he shares in their nature.

But that is the point of why he saved christians and how is because he is just like us to where he bore christians sins and their sins died as his.

It's a common sense thing. It's the way mainstream trinitarians express it makes it seem like they dont know the difference between what a father is and what a son is and how they can be relate to each other without needing to be each other in process.

Edit

In my opinion, traditional jesus inherants would not believe in the trinity but in how judaism defines god (or the Torah) as per jesus quoted. The mainstream christians who are trinitarians are following the apostles and roman teachings that mixed with jewish ones.

When I think Christianity, I think of Roman/Jewish mixed beliefs. If someone is a true follower of Jesus, they would not edit have Roman beliefs. Jesus spoke against that when he fussed at the Pharisees.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The paradigm you are portraying is incorrect. That ''Christian'' theology, isn't Roman at all; if anything, the Romans 'humanized' Jesus, more than He is actually, in the belief system. /Think crucifix, so forth. Other Christians, /non-Romans, have a tradition of directly referring to Jesus as God, or JHVH. //Jesus being the manifestation of JHVH.

In the OT God has never compared himself as a human. If I went off of Christian history, I'd start with the Jews. Unless Jesus decided to up and call himself god rather than him saying he was the way to god, then I'd agree. But the Bible is pretty clear cut in how god separates him from his son and most definitely how the son separates himself from his father.

But then, if one doesn't want to see jesus as a human because it depreciates jesus, then that is their preference in belief. I'm just going by my experience and what I studied myself. Seeing jesus as anything close to god is setting oneself up for consequences for sure--that's according to OT scripture. Jesus repeatedly talked against it.

I don't understand why jesus can't be human with god's nature.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Syncretic;

This isn't part of standard Bible canon, however, if this is your argument, then using the actual Bible Scripture, to argue for or against this position, is going to be problematic.

Correct - not part of "standard bible canon" - but indeed - far more LEGITIMATE than the canon versions - as THIS is the ORIGINAL truth - as recorded DIRECTLY by disciple - as CLAIMED DIRECTLY by disciple - and those are credentials the bible canon does not posess as the canon is NOT even the disciples direct testimony - is NOT claimed by them directly as the original gospels are - is NOT even written by the disciples or by anyone who was alive to speak to them directly as the bible canon is MANUFACTURED for a specific and clearly stated intent, near four hundred years after the events it recounts !!

The canon as I have repeatedly shown is a TWISTING of original truth given by Christ to disciples... The only problem with bible scripture comes when we start off with preconceptions about Christ and Our Father..If though we bother to go see His ORIGINAL truth first - then we can indeed read the bible and see clearly how and why all this manipulaton has occurred, and with His original truth to parallel, we see the confusion and misdirection in the bible clearly and can thus avoid it.. Its really easy actually - as offered - every time we read bible canon version, just remember two things always - first - the one who is writing there does NOT KNOW the truth did NOT speak to Christ or disciple directly - and second - Christ is NOT teaching of the old Hebrew god or of any other so called god that mankind had ever encountered before , but an entirely NEW TRUTH that He alone provides.... Remember these two simple guides always for they are both undeniable truths - and the bible will take on a whole new significance in meaning Im sure... The canon IS at best a half truth - and in some places it is outright deception - dont allow it to fool you (all) so - dont take it as "gospel truth" lol just because a MAN TOLD you it is so

Oh and btw - Christ ALWAYS SAID HE IS the Father without any possible seperation - the full Divine Presence taken a unique mortal form...He explains a TRINITY of Divine mInd that is the direct CAUSE of all existance everywhere and says fully that He Christ IS of that Trinity fully Present right there as Creation starts and now fully Present here and now among us... Again - we should not let "bible scripture" or MANS ideas and opinions, or our own personal wishful thinking, to take us off track from HIS directly spoken universal truth

 

[Tabu]

I cannot believe in a limited god like that. I am simply not able.

I think humans invent such limited god images because fictional characters are easier to manipulate and use for human purposes.
Tom

I never said, confine God within an image , but rather define God and know His limits (even if they are self imposed) , I think this is very essential because you would know to what extent God has allowed for Himself interference in human lives, so that you know what and what not to expect from Him , otherwise people would be praying for miracles and things against His nature or the nature of His predestined course.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Round and round the mulberry bush....lol.... Folks - you are off down completely the wrong path..lol....my Father is far far FAR beyond all these mortal ideas that the religion keeps throwing at us..As Christ said - those religious leaders - have NO TRUTH TO GIVE YOU - damn them - like dogs in the cattle pen He said they will not give you any rest and bring only confusion and strife

We cannot "confine" my Father - lol - He is EVERYTHING without exception lol...How can we confine THAT..??.. How do we even DEFINE that..?...And most importantly - who are we to NAME that superior force - what AUTHORITY could we mortals ever possibly have over it TO name it so..??

Here is my Father as Christ describes it - from the original tome of disciple John - Christ direct spiritual revelation faithfully recorded for us all :

The Inexpressible One - The One rules all. Nothing has authority over it. - It is the God. - It is Father of everything, - Holy One - The invisible one over everything.
It is uncontaminated - Pure light no eye can bear to look within - Thee One is the Invisible Spirit. - It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. - It is more than just God.-
Nothing is above it. - Nothing rules it. - Since everything exists within it - It does not exist within anything. - Since it is not dependent on anything - It is eternal. - It is absolutely complete and so needs nothing. - It is utterly perfect Light.

The One is without boundaries - Nothing exists outside of it to border it - The One cannot be investigated - Nothing exists apart from it to investigate it - The One cannot be measured - Nothing exists external to it to measure it - The One cannot be seen - For no one can envision it - The One is eternal - For it exists forever - The One is inconceivable - For no one can comprehend it - The One is indescribable - For no one can put any words to it. - The One is infinite light - Purity - Holiness - Stainless,
The One is incomprehensible - Perfectly free from corruption.

Not “perfect” - Not “blessed” - Not “divine” - But superior to such mortal concepts. - Neither physical nor unphysical - Neither immense nor infinitesimal - It is impossible to specify in quantity or quality - For it is beyond mortal knowledge. - The One is not a being among other beings - It is vastly superior - But it is not “superior.” - It is outside of realms of being and time - For whatever is within realms of being was created by the One - And whatever is within time had time allotted to it by the One - The One receives nothing from anything. - It simply apprehends itself in its own perfect Light - The One is majestic. - The One is measureless majesty - Chief of all Realms - Producing all realms - Light Producing light - Life Producing life - Blessedness Producing blessedness - Knowledge Producing knowledge - Good Producing goodness - Mercy Producing mercy - Generous Producing generosity - It does not “possess” these things. - It gives forth light beyond measure, beyond comprehension.

What can I say? - His realm is eternal, peaceful, silent, resting, before everything - He is the head of every realm sustaining each of them through goodness.

Ok - so some relevant points....Our Father is so so SO obviously BEYOND any mortal comprehension at all.. NOTHING has authority over it - so Who can name it now..??..
it is NOT a being among OTHER beings - it does NOT exist as we do "within time and space".. SUPERIOR to any and all MORTAL notions of what it is... The mortal mind CAN NOT COMPREHEND IT HE says..Look at the last sentance and realise even Christ struggles to explain it to us adequatly - what can I tell you ? He asks - for it is BEYOND WORDS and needs to be experienced DIRECTLY to be understood - become Me He will say and these mysteries are revealed fully

But see for now - Our Father - something entirely different to the religious notion..Not an INDIDVIDUAL singular "god" - not a UNIQUE FORM - not a god on a throne passing "judgement" - no anger jealously wrath or need for worship at all !!! But keep reading the original John gospel and you will see THAT god described also - its CREATION and its origin are also fully explained - and how it in its turn went on to create us mankind directly is also FULLY explained - and as said - this one we call Yhvh in the bible is most certainly NOT this Primal Sovereign spirit that Christ attempts to explain for us above.... He continues to explain how and why creation actually happens - how and why material worlds are formed - how and why the Souls that inhabit these worlds come forth also...

Im not going to reproduce the entire ORIGINAL gospel here - but read it for your selves for clarity - http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

See this heirachy to creation unfold..Learn directly from Christ what got created by whom and when - and see for sure the CREATION and ORIGIN of the "bible god" Yhvh which Christ says directly is no "god" at all but merely an Angel - a creature - NOT THE SOURCE of Creation at all... See Him say directly this event was a mistake - and the result is an entirely SEPERATE REALM - THIS realm - where this Angel is placed alone and purposefully isolated...It is malformed - not perfect - resembles a DRAGON He says

It is THIS Angel that looks like a dragon that is "cast from heaven" as the bible narrative mimicks...Yhvh IS the dragon - IS the Angel cast from the realm of the TRUE DIVINE - and placed HERE as lord and master of THIS lower realm ...read the ORIGINAL truth from the ORIGINAL disciple gospels - then compare to bible version and see clearly why all this manipulation has occurred....

 

[Smart_Guy]

Those are just different words for God in different language and adjectives referring to Him. By time they were made proper nouns. I'm a Muslim Arab and I don't say Allah in English, I say God.

 

[Tabu]

Hi Folks...

Round and round the mulberry bush....lol.... Folks - you are off down completely the wrong path..lol....my Father is far far FAR beyond all these mortal ideas that the religion keeps throwing at us..As Christ said - those religious leaders - have NO TRUTH TO GIVE YOU - damn them - like dogs in the cattle pen He said they will not give you any rest and bring only confusion and strife

We cannot "confine" my Father - lol - He is EVERYTHING without exception lol...How can we confine THAT..??.. How do we even DEFINE that..?...And most importantly - who are we to NAME that superior force - what AUTHORITY could we mortals ever possibly have over it TO name it so..??

Here is my Father as Christ describes it - from the original tome of disciple John - Christ direct spiritual revelation faithfully recorded for us all :



Ok - so some relevant points....Our Father is so so SO obviously BEYOND any mortal comprehension at all.. NOTHING has authority over it - so Who can name it now..??..
it is NOT a being among OTHER beings - it does NOT exist as we do "within time and space".. SUPERIOR to any and all MORTAL notions of what it is... The mortal mind CAN NOT COMPREHEND IT HE says..Look at the last sentance and realise even Christ struggles to explain it to us adequatly - what can I tell you ? He asks - for it is BEYOND WORDS and needs to be experienced DIRECTLY to be understood - become Me He will say and these mysteries are revealed fully

But see for now - Our Father - something entirely different to the religious notion..Not an INDIDVIDUAL singular "god" - not a UNIQUE FORM - not a god on a throne passing "judgement" - no anger jealously wrath or need for worship at all !!! But keep reading the original John gospel and you will see THAT god described also - its CREATION and its origin are also fully explained - and how it in its turn went on to create us mankind directly is also FULLY explained - and as said - this one we call Yhvh in the bible is most certainly NOT this Primal Sovereign spirit that Christ attempts to explain for us above.... He continues to explain how and why creation actually happens - how and why material worlds are formed - how and why the Souls that inhabit these worlds come forth also...

Im not going to reproduce the entire ORIGINAL gospel here - but read it for your selves for clarity - http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

See this heirachy to creation unfold..Learn directly from Christ what got created by whom and when - and see for sure the CREATION and ORIGIN of the "bible god" Yhvh which Christ says directly is no "god" at all but merely an Angel - a creature - NOT THE SOURCE of Creation at all... See Him say directly this event was a mistake - and the result is an entirely SEPERATE REALM - THIS realm - where this Angel is placed alone and purposefully isolated...It is malformed - not perfect - resembles a DRAGON He says

It is THIS Angel that looks like a dragon that is "cast from heaven" as the bible narrative mimicks...Yhvh IS the dragon - IS the Angel cast from the realm of the TRUE DIVINE - and placed HERE as lord and master of THIS lower realm ...read the ORIGINAL truth from the ORIGINAL disciple gospels - then compare to bible version and see clearly why all this manipulation has occurred....

Thanks for the wonderful definition or description for God . LOL
By the way , you have confined Him in everything whereas He is beyond everything (matter).
I would also like to know the answers to these three questions you have mentioned.
(how and why creation actually happens - how and why material worlds are formed - how and why the Souls that inhabit these worlds come forth).
If it isn't possible within this thread lets open a new thread for that . I am curious to know.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

God name is Jesus Christ According to Scriptures.

The question is, that how is Jesus God? If Jeus is God then how did Mary give birth to Jesus? That is something some need to think about.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Tabu;

Thanks for the wonderful definition or description for God . LOL By the way , you have confined Him in everything whereas He is beyond everything (matter).

Ah but - that not MY definiton - thats my mate CHRISTS definition...And as I said and as we see, even HE struggles to captivate this truth in a way a mortal could understand - He explains it lots and lots of ways from many aspects - but then says - "What can I say ??" - like He realises that no matter WHAT words He uses, it still wont capture the truth of it entirely....And look - NO He has NOT confined the Father at all - indeed He just said such a thing is not even possible lol - for He just told you clearly in that quote above that the Father is SUPERIOR to any and all these mortal concepts we TRY to apply to it... Now - in modern plain English Folks - I will tell you clearly - we could sit here all day long discussing this - I - or Christ - or whoever - could spend an entire lifetime explaining it, writing it down for you (all) - but really, it will do no good at all - only a guidance is offered - eventually you MUST discover this truth for the SELF directly - GNOSIS is always the aim of the game Folks - the LIVING truth of Self directly revealed

To tackle the foundational aspects of Creation - we first vitally need to tackle our own unique foundational aspects - come to know who and what we are fully and completely - how we come to be in the PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES - and look - no religion can EVER show that truth to you, but they will ALWAYS hinder you in its pursuit, with hold the legitimate truth of Self and replace it with THEIR truth enforced upon us..

Gnosis - absolutely crucial - foundation of all legitimate spiritual truth - and yet it is so poorly understood and often vilified in ignorance...You dont learn this spiritual and eternal truth from a book or from Others who teach it secondhand academically - you learn this Divine truth by EXPERIENCING it directly - only then will these words printed here in the next part make any decent sense to you (all).....Gnosis - direct experience - living truth as a constant refferance point - absolutely VITAL if we are to know the Father....As Christ told Simon - and then changed His name to Peter - the directly revealed truth - Gnosis - is the FOUNDATION of ALL these spiritual truths

Its like driving a car Folks - read and learn all you can from others - watch videos about driving etc etc - take on board all manner of secondhand academic knowledge ABOUT driving - and still - you will not actually know HOW to drive....For that - you need to put all that so called knowledge to the direct test get in and actually DRIVE the car for the Self - see what was truth and what was error - see how it applies DYNAMICALLY as the LIVING truth you now hold - then and only then do you actually have that truth in a legitimate manner, yes..?.. Same here for spiritual endeavours - it needs to be directly experienced before the truth can be fully revealed - this is Gnosis...Iam about to explain some metaphysical concepts below - the how and why all this is happening - but to be honest - without the direct experiences Iam not really expecting anybody to grasp it fully or see its implications...Like driving a car - you need to do it for the Self to know what is really going on, and this Gnosis is CRUCIAL to understanding....

So - the crucial questions - how and why is all this happening..?...Why is there a creation as opposed to a "nothing" none existance..?...WHERE did it all come frorm..?....MY FATHER

How to say it plainly..??...My Father is a MIND - no other word or label fits better...NOTHING EXISTS, and yet there is this "faculty" - this "entity" - this Conscious "spirit" - that "awakens" to its own Self...See already the confusion..lol...mortal words are so limiting here but Im sure you get the idea...its a MIND isnt it..?...A Self aware ABSTRACT force...To try to understand this PRIMAL mind then - we should indeed first come to understand OUR OWN MIND and how THAT works for we ARE made in "that image" - a miniature individualised and UNIQUE MIND that is exactly the same phenomena as this Primal Sovereign Mind we are still a part of... As Christ said then before all things come to KNOW THY SELF - become FULLY known and all these outer mysteries will also become revealed He promises..This Gnosis is CRUCIAL - His is a teaching of MIND - taking this mortal mind here and allowing it to expand to our full potential, transcend the limitation of mortal existance and reclaim the eternal nature fully HERE whilst still mortal..This is what all life and all existance is truly about - this Primal Spirit coming to a state of complete and full Self awareness - the Divine mind seeks Gnosis ALWAYS

To understand the Father, then we need most definately to understand the SELF first - as it is THROUGH the MIND that we commune with the Father spirit DIRECTLY - BECOME it DIRECTLY...Truly, the MIND itself is the ONLY permanant "thing" that we are - what we may believe of our self at this moment in life is irrelevant here - upon death you will face a stark naked truth of Self I assure you (all) and some illusions will be rudely shattered and you will be left dazed confused again - the body will die be replaced and that body too will die many times over as this Self discovery process unfolds - reincarnation is VERY real, indeed it is a foregone conclusion for the ignorant mind that does not know its truth yet - but again - to know and appreciate this truth we need to first EXPERIENCE IT directly - to experience the Self as FREE from the mortal body unbound from it and to discover that we still exist OUTSIDE of that body as a "conscious cloud of energy" for lack of better words - or a SOUL if you prefer - until this eternal truth is experienced for the individual Self, and has settled and been accepted, then the rest of Christs truth is going to confuse no end... As He said and the religion fails to understand - we MUST die BEFORE we die - be BORN AGAIN in this manner - come to TRULY know Who and What we are ETERNALLY - before the body fails and this is forced upon us again...

And so we see in His teaching a two fold approach...First and foremost, He adamantly turns us AWAY from the "religious god" and its errors and manipulations...THAT is NOT the Father He said, so come away from it - empty your Self of its influence He said - HATE and DAMN it - come out form under its enforced domination....He teaches to shun and avoid the religion - tells us straight it is a handicap and a direct hinderance..In plain English I will tell you this is because it is all about MIND - and so to have the mind already full of this religious error, is to handicap the self severely as the mind clings to old deceptions still and is unable to then realise its legitmate nature....Following these others He said will ALWAYS lead you astray...And so He taught alongside this advise to shun and avoid the religion, the second aspect of how to COMMUNE DIRECTLY with the legitimate Divine, without any need of priest religion or clergy at all - no middleman intermediary ever needed - just the Self becoming the Father without any apparant seperation at all - I and the Father ARE ONE - now the task at hand is to BECOME ME He said

Avoid all the external influence of the world He advised - when we seek to commune directly, then GO ALONE into a PRIVATE place shut the door so the world can not intrude...He is telling us to MEDITATE - deeply and often !!! He says that the mind here at the surface MUST be taken down within to a state of deep inner tranquil calm - a secret and silent empty void found within...I assure you (all) such a phenomena is real and legitimate - with practice it can be achieved - and until we DO achieve this, then really, we are handicapped severely....This inner mind journey is the NARROW GATE that brings ETERNAL LIFE but which not many find..As opposed to the WIDE gate that many indeed take but leads only to death He said...Inner journey - narrow gate deep within the MIND leads to Soul and eternal nature - outer gate - is the relgious journey that brings no rewards except another ignorant death.. We MUST take this inner journey and have THAT truth of Self revealed directly....OPEN that gateway within He said - seek and find that silent empty void - and await a NEW PRESENCE OF MIND to come forth... Into this inner silent empty state there will come a LIGHT (indeed it is so) - and this Light is a SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION of your own Soul - you ARE the Light itself (you are that "conscious energy"), it is how the Divine Mind first encounters and realises its own Self - but of course we cannot realise this here in our normal mind as we are NOT being the legitimate Self here, but instead are BEING HUMAN We must DROP this illusion to discover WHO we TRULY are..ESSENTIAL !!

First, we must take THIS mind here reading this post and indeed take it right down deep inside - past those layers of "subconscious self" - past all those lies and illusions of life - to encounter this void within and this new Presence - be "born again" in THIS "spirit" and new Self identity AS an eternal Soul..The mind here is clearly broken, divided - surface mind here is the "self identity" presented to the world - but underneath - subconscious as we term it - is the ENTIRETY of your complete history of Self - every thought word emotion that you ARE is there still fresh new and alive....This new Presence of mind - is THE HOLY GHOST - it is the WHOLE and complete mind..NOT JUST this thin slice here at the surface, but the ENTIRETY of all that you are and have ever been in life, mended and rejoined two seperate seeming parts now become ONE WHOLE MIND.. Allow it to settle and it will indeed bring you constant truth of Who and What you are...ESSENTIAL He said, for without this Presence then you have only lies error and delusion fromthe world out there - but with this new mind, new tool - FULL mind now, so we begin to see the world in a much more full and compete manner...Lies error and delusion all stop once the Holy Ghost steps forth - all the outer mysteries become naturally revealed just as He promises.....Through that "internal gateway" deep deep within the mind - we gain access ot the UNIVERSE - literally so....Going "inwards" paradoxically leads to OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES - and so the Soul gains access here and now to OTHER REALMS of existance that we ARE a part of always but that the human body form directly prohibits our awareness of...Literally, we free the mind to EXPERIENCE these other SPIRITUAL REALMS DIRECTLY...Without undergoing this process - without calling forth that Presence and stepping forth from the physical world, then spiritual truth will always elude us...And so those here who have never experienced such a thing directly, will doubt, disbelieve, scoff or even attempt to ridicule - to be expected - but I tell you all honestly, you wont really appreciate this truth unitl you experience it directly in this manner - Gnosis is always the best teacher and the Holy Ghiost so revealed is the only guide to trust