God hates sinners

[adam45]

I believe God hates sinners.

Many of you heard the saying:
"God loves the sinner but hates the sin"
It's a saying used by many alleged Christians,
but did you know,
that this saying does not appear once in the Bible?
Actually, the Bible says many times God hates sinners,
such as Psalm 11:5 and Proverbs 6:16-19.

But let us check the saying,
it says, God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
How is that possible?
A sinner is someone who sins,
so how can both be separated?
It is like saying that someone loves the sun but hates warmth.
It just doesn't make sense.

And it isn't only nonsense, it's also dangerous,
because with such a saying, you normalize sin.
It basically declares:
"God loves you, even if you sin"
"It doesn't matter if you sin, nobody is perfect"
This is what the devil wants.

Yes, by sacrificing His own Son,
and thus giving sinners a chance to be saved,
God showed some kind of love to sinners,
but this means a sinner must accept this gift,
and accepting this gift means to follow Jesus.
And to follow Jesus means to keep the law of God, John 14:21.
A sinner who becomes a Christian does not sin anymore, 1John 3:6.
But a sinner who does not accept this gift,
is rejecting the love of God,
and thus is hated by God,
and thus will go to hell.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Who made the rules about how God is appeased? Who asks to be born?

 

[adam45]

Who made the rules about how God is appeased?

God himself in the 66 books of the Bible.
God wants everyone to keep His law.

 

[Wandering Monk]

God himself in the 66 books of the Bible.
God wants everyone to keep His law.

So God created humans knowing that most of them would never believe in him or Jesus and that because of his rules, those people will be tormented with hellfire forever? Who asks to be born?

 

[Viker]

"God hates us all"

~Slayer

 

[Alien826]

But let us check the saying,
it says, God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
How is that possible?
A sinner is someone who sins,
so how can both be separated?
It is like saying that someone loves the sun but hates warmth.
It just doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. If your child does something bad, do you stop loving him and wanting him to change his ways? Biblically, and I'm no expert, what about the parable of the prodigal son? Doesn't he get welcomed back by his father when he repents and asks to return?

 

[Wandering Monk]

It makes perfect sense. If your child does something bad, do you stop loving him and wanting him to change his ways? Biblically, and I'm no expert, what about the parable of the prodigal son? Doesn't he get welcomed back by his father when he repents and asks to return?

If the son never repents, does the father seek him out and torture him for the rest of his life? If the answer is 'no' for a human father, how much less for God.

 

[Viker]

"For God so loved the world that He sent his only begotten son."

This verse is indicative that God allegedly loves all of us (sinners included). Why would that verse even exist if he didn't love sinners as well as the righteous?

The word trinity never appears in the Bible either, but most Christians still believe it is a thing. Christians are allowed to use expression that they believe represent something from the Bible but may not be worded in the Bible.

 

[Madsaac]

Firstly, you have to believe the bible is gods word, and in all likelihood it’s not, so anything in the bible is just some man made up idea. Jibba jabber by a bunch of ‘wackos’

And that is the word of the man

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

@adam45,

You preach about keeping God's Law, but do you keep it? If you fail to keep God's Law, then shouldn't you be more concerned about the plank in your own eye than the speck of dust in someone else's eye? Why should anyone listen to your unsolicited preaching if you fail to practice what you preach?

 

[Eddi]

I believe God hates sinners.

Many of you heard the saying:
"God loves the sinner but hates the sin"
It's a saying used by many alleged Christians,
but did you know,
that this saying does not appear once in the Bible?
Actually, the Bible says many times God hates sinners,
such as Psalm 11:5 and Proverbs 6:16-19.

But let us check the saying,
it says, God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
How is that possible?
A sinner is someone who sins,
so how can both be separated?
It is like saying that someone loves the sun but hates warmth.
It just doesn't make sense.

And it isn't only nonsense, it's also dangerous,
because with such a saying, you normalize sin.
It basically declares:
"God loves you, even if you sin"
"It doesn't matter if you sin, nobody is perfect"
This is what the devil wants.

Yes, by sacrificing His own Son,
and thus giving sinners a chance to be saved,
God showed some kind of love to sinners,
but this means a sinner must accept this gift,
and accepting this gift means to follow Jesus.
And to follow Jesus means to keep the law of God, John 14:21.
A sinner who becomes a Christian does not sin anymore, 1John 3:6.
But a sinner who does not accept this gift,
is rejecting the love of God,
and thus is hated by God,
and thus will go to hell.

I'm glad I don't believe all that

 

[Vinayaka]

I'm glad I don't believe all that

Lots of us don't.

 

[Frank Buffalo]

In the Adam and Eve story, god sets up a tree with fruit conveying the knowledge of good and evil--but doesn't want Adam and Eve to eat it. Until they ate that fruit, therefore, they had no idea what was good or evil, which was the ignorance supposedly god wanted. What a weird setup! Most parents know that you don't present to children a desirable treat and then expect them not to eat it.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

"For God so loved the world that He sent his only begotten son."

This verse is indicative that God allegedly loves all of us (sinners included). Why would that verse even exist if he didn't love sinners as well as the righteous?

John 3:16–17 states, "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." I'd like to reexamine these verses in light of the following:

According to the Bible, God can be hateful, angry, and jealous. In my opinion, Christians deceived themselves by focusing entirely on his purported love and mercy while disregarding the other scriptures depicting his hatred, anger, and jealousy. When I left Christianity, I reread the Bible without wearing rose-colored glasses, and I no longer believe that anyone should ever base their understanding of morality (such as love, mercy, and justice) on the Bible.

In my opinion, the following Bible stories aren't exemplary examples of upright moral behavior: forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22:28-29); dashing infants' heads against rocks (Psalm 137:9); ordering the death of witches (Exodus 22:18); God commanding his "chosen people" to kill an entire populace of foreign nations for their land in a conquest to possess a "promised land" (Exodus 17:8–13; 1 Samuel 15:2–3); or God, in an irrational fit of rage, commits global genocide by killing every living creature and eradicating the entire human race (apart from Noah and his family) in a global flood (Genesis 6:6-7). Does this sound like a loving and merciful God? How about a heavenly father who wants to save you? It doesn't sound like it to me.

According to Genesis 6:6-7, God regretted creating not only mankind but also every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air. The Bible contains several other verses that mention God's regrets in addition to creating humanity, all animals, and birds (1 Samuel 15:11; 2 Samuel 24:16; Jeremiah 42:10). The Bible also mentions God changing his mind about bringing disasters down on his alleged chosen people as punishment for their transgressions against him (Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, Joel 2:13). For the record, Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, and Joel 2:13 coincide with Isaiah 45:7 (NIV), which states, "I form the light and create darkness; I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things." Also, the New King James Version uses the word "calamity" instead of "disaster," and the King James Version uses the word "evil" instead of "disaster" or "calamity."

Isaiah 45:7

KJV: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Evil:
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked, 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful, 3. Characterized by or indicating misfortune; ominous.

NIV: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

Disaster:
1. An occurrence causing widespread destruction and distress; a catastrophe; 2. A grave misfortune, and 3. A total failure.

ESV: "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things."

Calamity: 1. An event that brings terrible loss, lasting distress, or severe affliction; a disaster, 2. Dire distress resulting from loss or tragedy; 3. Any great misfortune or cause of misery; in general, any event or disaster which produces extensive evils, as loss of crops, earthquakes, etc., but also applied to any misfortune which brings great distress on a person; misfortune; distress; adversity.

 

[Viker]

John 3:16–17 states, "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." I'd like to reexamine these verses in light of the following:

According to the Bible, God can be hateful, angry, and jealous. In my opinion, Christians deceived themselves by focusing entirely on his purported love and mercy while disregarding the other scriptures depicting his hatred, anger, and jealousy. When I left Christianity, I reread the Bible without wearing rose-colored glasses, and I no longer believe that anyone should ever base their understanding of morality (such as love, mercy, and justice) on the Bible.

In my opinion, the following Bible stories aren't exemplary examples of upright moral behavior: forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22:28-29); dashing infants' heads against rocks (Psalm 137:9); ordering the death of witches (Exodus 22:18); God commanding his "chosen people" to kill an entire populace of foreign nations for their land in a conquest to possess a "promised land" (Exodus 17:8–13; 1 Samuel 15:2–3); or God, in an irrational fit of rage, commits global genocide by killing every living creature and eradicating the entire human race (apart from Noah and his family) in a global flood (Genesis 6:6-7). Does this sound like a loving and merciful God? How about a heavenly father who wants to save you? It doesn't sound like it to me.

According to Genesis 6:6-7, God regretted creating not only mankind but also every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air. The Bible contains several other verses that mention God's regrets in addition to creating humanity, all animals, and birds (1 Samuel 15:11; 2 Samuel 24:16; Jeremiah 42:10). The Bible also mentions God changing his mind about bringing disasters down on his alleged chosen people as punishment for their transgressions against him (Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, Joel 2:13). For the record, Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, and Joel 2:13 coincide with Isaiah 45:7 (NIV), which states, "I form the light and create darkness; I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things." Also, the New King James Version uses the word "calamity" instead of "disaster," and the King James Version uses the word "evil" instead of "disaster" or "calamity."

Isaiah 45:7

KJV: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Evil:
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked, 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful, 3. Characterized by or indicating misfortune; ominous.

NIV: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

Disaster:
1. An occurrence causing widespread destruction and distress; a catastrophe; 2. A grave misfortune, and 3. A total failure.

ESV: "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things."

Calamity: 1. An event that brings terrible loss, lasting distress, or severe affliction; a disaster, 2. Dire distress resulting from loss or tragedy; 3. Any great misfortune or cause of misery; in general, any event or disaster which produces extensive evils, as loss of crops, earthquakes, etc., but also applied to any misfortune which brings great distress on a person; misfortune; distress; adversity.

God obviously has conflicting views and emotions. A lot like the authors of the Bible.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So God created humans knowing that most of them would never believe in him or Jesus and that because of his rules, those people will be tormented with hellfire forever? Who asks to be born?

In the Adam and Eve story, god sets up a tree with fruit conveying the knowledge of good and evil--but doesn't want Adam and Eve to eat it. Until they ate that fruit, therefore, they had no idea what was good or evil, which was the ignorance supposedly god wanted. What a weird setup! Most parents know that you don't present to children a desirable treat and then expect them not to eat it.

Let's look at the biblical God from a more accurate scriptural perspective, which is one that Christians often omit from their "God is love" message.

According to the Bible, God has infinite power (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), infinite knowledge (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), and is present everywhere simultaneously (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). Having established these biblical claims about God's divine attributes, I will continue with my viewpoint. In my opinion, God is evil because, based on these scriptures, he created Adam and Eve knowing that they would disobey him after using the serpent to purposely tempt them with a forbidden fruit. According to the creation story, God not only punished Adam and Eve for their disobedience (which he knew would happen), but he also punished the serpent for doing what he knew it would do. But he didn't stop there; he punished and unjustly cursed the rest of humanity with a sinful nature for the sin of Adam and Eve, which the rest of humanity had no control over. He then devised a wicked plan to murder his own son by crucifying him in order to atone for his initial sin of creating humanity, knowing that they would become corrupt.

Furthermore, if God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, as the Bible claims, then surely he would know better than to create Adam and Eve and the rest of mankind, knowing that he would later regret creating humanity and repopulate the planet with the same morally flawed humans that he just annihilated in a global flood. According to Genesis 6:6, he regretted creating humanity as well as every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air. Thus, he carried out his plan to annihilate humanity in a global flood, with the exception of Noah and his family (Genesis 6:7-8).

In accordance with these scriptures, it is my opinion that God is morally depraved (sinful, evil, sadistic) to first create Adam and Eve knowing that they would disobey him and that he would punish them for their disobedience; second, he punished and cursed Satan (the serpent), despite using Satan to carry out his nefarious plan to tempt Adam and Eve into disobeying him; third, punish and curse the rest of humanity with a sinful nature because of Adam and Eve's disobedience against him, despite the fact that the rest of humanity had nothing to do with it; and finally, he brutally tortured and killed his own son to "redeem" humanity for behaving exactly the way he knew they would behave before he created Adam and Eve. I think that is truly evil (Isaiah 45:7).

I like this quote by Richard Dawkins: "The god of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." After reading the Bible numerous times, I believe that he has accurately described the biblical God. He is portrayed as a loving and merciful heavenly father, but I think of him as being far worse than an abusive parent. Speaking as a former Christian, I think that he is the perfect example of a narcissistic and abusive father who only expresses his warped sense of love to his children whenever they do or say precisely what he wants them to do or say. His frightened children think that if they don't provoke him, then he won't hurt them, but they're not entirely sure because of his violent temper and lashes out when he becomes angry. Therefore, disobeying and upsetting him will result in punishment and hell to pay. This isn't a healthy relationship built on unconditional love, trust, and respect, but rather a toxic relationship based on fear and mistrust.

 

[Heyo]

I believe God hates sinners.

Many of you heard the saying:
"God loves the sinner but hates the sin"
It's a saying used by many alleged Christians,
but did you know,
that this saying does not appear once in the Bible?
Actually, the Bible says many times God hates sinners,
such as Psalm 11:5 and Proverbs 6:16-19.

But let us check the saying,
it says, God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
How is that possible?
A sinner is someone who sins,
so how can both be separated?
It is like saying that someone loves the sun but hates warmth.
It just doesn't make sense.

And it isn't only nonsense, it's also dangerous,
because with such a saying, you normalize sin.
It basically declares:
"God loves you, even if you sin"
"It doesn't matter if you sin, nobody is perfect"
This is what the devil wants.

Yes, by sacrificing His own Son,
and thus giving sinners a chance to be saved,
God showed some kind of love to sinners,
but this means a sinner must accept this gift,
and accepting this gift means to follow Jesus.
And to follow Jesus means to keep the law of God, John 14:21.
A sinner who becomes a Christian does not sin anymore, 1John 3:6.
But a sinner who does not accept this gift,
is rejecting the love of God,
and thus is hated by God,
and thus will go to hell.

This is the reason why more and more decent people have a problem with Christians and Christianity (including Christians).

 

[danieldemol]

@adam45
Your impotent God can go jump in a lake for hating me without due cause in my view

 

[BrokenBread]

Let's look at the biblical God from a more accurate scriptural perspective, which is one that Christians often omit from their "God is love" message.

In my opinion, God is evil because, based on these scriptures, he created Adam and Eve knowing that they would disobey him after using the serpent to purposely tempt them with a forbidden fruit. According to the creation story, God not only punished Adam and Eve for their disobedience (which he knew would happen), but he also punished the serpent for doing what he knew it would do. But he didn't stop there; he punished and unjustly cursed the rest of

Yet according to the scriptures God also knew that after their disobedience & because of their faith Adam & Eve would be with Him today in Heaven looking forward to one day entering back into a restored earth.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe God hates sinners.

Many of you heard the saying:
"God loves the sinner but hates the sin"

I believe this new saying of "Hate the sin but not the sinner" comes from two sources, both of them good.

The first is the realization that none of us are perfect. Now apply the Golden Rule to that. If I want others to be patient and forgiving of me when I screw up, I need to extend that same grace to others.

The second source is modern psychology, which has opened up the door to discovering why people do the things we do. In the past, no one CARED why you did what you did. The assumption was people simply chose what they did, and good people chose good actions while bad people chose bad actions. But behavioral biology has shed an enormous light on these things. Even the common lay person is now aware that early trauma can greatly influence how a person acts as an adult, and that genetics can impact personality.

Basically, we now have a far, far better appreciation of the saying, "There but for the grace of God go I." I must ask myself, "Is the reason I don't do X because I am a better person? Or is it because I was born with greater empathy, intelligence, and resilience? If I had experienced the same x, y, and z that they have, might I not also be doing the same things they are doing?"

Now let's apply this new understanding. I am NOT saying there is no such thing as evil. I very, very much believe in evil. I think some people are MONSTERS. However, I do not think they are monsters by choice. Just as we have compassion for Frankenstein's monster, we cannot allow such creatures to run around killing people. So I'm very law and order. But NOT in the punitive sense. It is one thing to remove someone from society in order to protect people. It's quite another to PUNISH them.

So, now, given all I have just said, tell me again why God would hate people who only do what they are programmed to do?