God in mormonism

[Watchmen]

I have committed no error. I said what I said and I stand by what I said.

Your assumption that we cannot talk about another person's opinion/belief without speaking ill of that person is not founded in reality.

It's not an assumption. Katzpur and I recognized it for what it is, and your refusal to retract is telling.

 

[Katzpur]

No, I would not have found it offensive.

As I have told you numerous times, I tend not to become offended, especially over the internet. And most especially when the other person is merely voicing their opinion.

I see no reason to be offended by someone's opinion of my beliefs. I am not in that business.

I understand that you wish to be offended on the behalf of other people, but I want to make it clear that I did not say what Watchmen claimed I had said.

Okay, well, I was just commenting on what you actually said, and not on anything Watchman attributed to you. I was just commenting on how the comment came across to me personally. As an individual, that's all I can really do.

Do you believe that the LDS Church is the only true and authorized Church of the Lord Jesus Christ upon the Earth today?

Short answer: Yes. More accurate answer: I have a hunch that I see those words (i.e. "the only true and authorized Church") from a little bit different a perspective than you do. In other words, I'm not you and I'm not Watchmen. I'm just me, doing my best not to be overwhelmed by the tribe, but not wanting to go it alone either.

 

[Prestor John]

Okay, well, I was just commenting on what you actually said, and not on anything Watchman attributed to you. I was just commenting on how the comment came across to me personally. As an individual, that's all I can really do.

Short answer: Yes. More accurate answer: I have a hunch that I see those words (i.e. "the only true and authorized Church") from a little bit different a perspective than you do. In other words, I'm not you and I'm not Watchmen. I'm just me, doing my best not to be overwhelmed by the tribe, but not wanting to go it alone either.

I understand where you are coming from, but you have to understand that I am only accountable for what I have said and not necessarily for what "came across" to you from reading my words.

I don't wish to speak ill of Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses, but Satan only has imitations of the truth in his arsenal.

 

[Prestor John]

It's not an assumption. Katzpur and I recognized it for what it is, and your refusal to retract is telling.

If you are unable to have a discussion with someone of a dissenting opinion than you without feeling offended then you are too immature to have such a discussion.

There is no reason for me to retract what I said. It is my opinion. It is my opinion that if someone believes in anything less than the truth then they are relying on "imitations of the truth" and Satan is to blame for that.

That is my understanding of truth based on my personal study and experience.

You are free to believe as you will, but don't presume you can dictate what is or is not error. You do not have that authority.

The fact that you are deluded enough to think that you actually have that authority is very telling.

 

[Watchmen]

If you are unable to have a discussion with someone of a dissenting opinion than you without feeling offended then you are too immature to have such a discussion.

There is no reason for me to retract what I said. It is my opinion. It is my opinion that if someone believes in anything less than the truth then they are relying on "imitations of the truth" and Satan is to blame for that.

That is my understanding of truth based on my personal study and experience.

You are free to believe as you will, but don't presume you can dictate what is or is not error. You do not have that authority.

The fact that you are deluded enough to think that you actually have that authority is very telling.

Ok. You said exactly what you meant. Catholics and JWs fall for and/or contribute to "Satan's arsenal" in the form of "imitations of truth."

I can see now there was no error. You truly meant what you said. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Watchmen]

I understand where you are coming from, but you have to understand that I am only accountable for what I have said and not necessarily for "came across" to you from reading my words.

I don't wish to speak ill of Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses, but Satan only has imitations of the truth in his arsenal.

So a writer is not responsible for his words? How nice. #eyeroll

 

[Prestor John]

Ok. You said exactly what you meant. Catholics and JWs fall for and/or contribute to "Satan's arsenal" in the form of "imitations of truth."

I can see now there was no error. You truly meant what you said. Thank you for clarifying.

Why can you not be honest?

I never said that anyone was in "Satan's arsenal". What I said was that Satan has only "imitations of the truth" in his arsenal.

I never said that any Catholic or Jehovah's Witness were incorporated into "Satan's arsenal". No one contributes to Satan's arsenal.

Satan tries to deceive all Mankind with "imitations of the truth".

You are not accurately representing what I said. You are using Satan's tactic of providing an "imitation" of what I have said to try and make me look bad, but it is not going to work. You have nothing.

 

[Prestor John]

So a writer is not responsible for his words? How nice. #eyeroll

Again, you are being dishonest.

I very clearly stated that I was "accountable" for what I had said.

What I am not accountable for is what "came across" to Katzpur or anyone else who read my comment.

I am not accountable for the "imitation" of what I have said that you fabricated.

Like I said before - You have nothing.

 

[Watchmen]

Why can you not be honest?

I never said that anyone was in "Satan's arsenal". What I said was that Satan has only "imitations of the truth" in his arsenal.

I never said that any Catholic or Jehovah's Witness were incorporated into "Satan's arsenal". No one contributes to Satan's arsenal.

Satan tries to deceive all Mankind with "imitations of the truth".

You are not accurately representing what I said. You are using Satan's tactic of providing an "imitation" of what I have said to try and make me look bad, but it is not going to work. You have nothing.

Feel free to parse words and now claim what you will. Anyon can read your posts and come to their own conclusions (which I strongly suspect will match Katzpur's and mine).

 

[Watchmen]

Again, you are being dishonest.

I very clearly stated that I was "accountable" for what I had said.

What I am not accountable for is what "came across" to Katzpur or anyone else who read my comment.

I am not accountable for the "imitation" of what I have said that you fabricated.

Like I said before - You have nothing.

If a person yells FIRE in a movie theater and causes a panic, is that person not accountable for how they "came across"?

Nice try, John.

 

[Prestor John]

Feel free to parse words and now claim what you will. [Anyone] can read your posts and come to their own conclusions (which I strongly suspect will match Katzpur's and mine).

Anyone who comes to the same conclusion as you and Katzpur would be just as wrong as you were and would need to reread my comment.

I don't wish to speak ill of Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses, but Satan only has imitations of the truth in his arsenal.

If a person yells FIRE in a movie theater and causes a panic, is that person not accountable for how they "came across"?

A more accurate example would be my humming the song, "This Girl Is On Fire" to myself in a movie theater and then everyone panicking.

I am only accountable for what I said. I am not accountable for what "comes across" to people or the "imitations" that you and others fabricate.

I don't wish to speak ill of Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses, but Satan only has imitations of the truth in his arsenal.

 

[Watchmen]

Anyone who comes to the same conclusion as you and Katzpur would be just as wrong as you were and would need to reread my comment.

I don't wish to speak ill of Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses, but Satan only has imitations of the truth in his arsenal.

A more accurate example would be my humming the song, "This Girl Is On Fire" to myself in a movie theater and then everyone panicking.

I am only accountable for what I said. I am not accountable for what "comes across" to people or the "imitations" that you and others fabricate.

I don't wish to speak ill of Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses, but Satan only has imitations of the truth in his arsenal.

Everyone who reads the posts know exactly what you are. Parsing words and making inapplicable analogies is a joke.

 

[Prestor John]

Everyone who reads the posts know exactly what you are. Parsing words and making inapplicable analogies is a joke.

Your entire presence on this thread is a joke.

You are purposefully skewing what I said.

You are just trolling on me here because I wouldn't take your BS on another thread.

Click Here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/book-of-abraham.188802/page-6#post-4878208 if you want to see Clear destroy Watchmen.

 

[Watchmen]

Your entire presence on this thread is a joke.

You are purposefully skewing what I said.

You are just trolling on me here because I wouldn't take your BS on another thread.

Click Here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/book-of-abraham.188802/page-6#post-4878208 if you want to see Clear destroy Watchmen.

You've proven nothing in the other thread. You're a joke and an embarrassment to the Church.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Sorry about these interruptions.

Watchmen seems to be trolling me now since Clear owned him on another thread.

Want to take this somewhere else?

Certainly--if you think there's more. I don't mean to belabor my points. I just draw a fine line--but I think an important, salvific line--between all works and faith. I think the NT is condemning all works-based salvation, even baptism and so on--but you are saying that baptism doesn't save, just enhances, so...