God in sikhism more loving than Christian God

[Audie]

I am only stating that there is a similar doctrine in science. Whether it exists in science or not, cause and effect as in karma exists in eastern religious philosophy from ancient times.

Science does not do doctrine

 

[Audie]

Uh huh. Bernie Madoff went to jail. The hundreds of bankers and traders involved in the 2007/08 real estate bubble bust are still living the good life off of their ill-gotten gains.

Karma is nothing more than a false hope some people have that the bad guys get caught. When it doesn't happen they say, "Just wait 'til their next lives - boy, then it'll be payback".

Let Dolly n Linda explain it

 

[GURSIKH]

Yes, I have another idea

There is 1 God. Different people attribute different aspects to the same God

This does not change the God, just the opinion of the people differs

Don't forget it were humans who wrote down the Scriptures

So, I would say that the Sikhs are more loving than the Christians according to what you said

You mean Sikh and Christian God are one and the same but Scriptures of two are different . On the basis of Scripture Sikhs are more loving than Christians ? More Scripture comparison is needed.

 

[stvdv]

You mean Sikh and Christian God are one and the same but Scriptures of two are different .

YES

On the basis of Scripture Sikhs are more loving than Christians ?

NO. I did not say that
1) I said "I would say" (no claim)
2) I said "Acoording to what you said, I did not say Scripture"

So, I would say that the Sikhs are more loving than the Christians according to what you said

Also

More Scripture comparison is needed.

I don't need more Scripture comparison, unless you can:
1) quote some real bad verses in Sikhism
2) prove that below interpretation of starlight94 is incorrect

Because her below quotes are convincing to me
Especially the "Hell"..."Eternally"..."Annihilation" parts
And of course the "unconditional Love" vs "conditional love"

In sikhism God give his children many chances to learn and grow because sikhism believe in reincarnation.

But in Christianity God give his children only one lifetime and if you fail you are sentenced to eternal hell or annihilation.

So the sikhism God is uconditional loving, but the Christian God is not...

Note:
For me "Christianity" is about my "Contact with Christ", hence "what Bible says is a don't care to me". Christ appeared to me, so I know for a fact that Christ is True + Real. And I always keep in mind when reading Bible verses "fallible people wrote this down", hence chances are enormous that errors "slipped in" OR worse "were planted on purposely", keeping in mind:
a) The evil influence of Power and Control visible in the Church
b) The evil influence of money clearly visible in the Church
@stvsvRF

 

[GURSIKH]

I don't need more Scripture comparison, unless you can:

2) prove that below interpretation of @starlight94 is incorrect

Because her below quotes are convincing to me
Especially the "Hell"..."Eternally"..."Annihilation" parts
And of course the "unconditional Love" vs "conditional love"

@Starlight94
This is what I want to confirm, Is "Hell"...."Eternally" present in the Scripture ?

 

[stvdv]

@Starlight94
This is what I want to confirm, Is "Hell"...."Eternally" is present in the Scripture ?

Probably @Starlight94 will be able to enlighten us on this, as she said it. Otherwise @Spiderman might know some verses, he studied this specific topic quite a bit

 

[Spiderman]

@Starlight94
This is what I want to confirm, Is "Hell"...."Eternally" present in the Scripture ?

Jesus mentioned eternal punishment, and he said "better if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, better to enter Heaven missing an eye than to have both of your eyes and tossed into the flames of hell, where the worm does not die."

Jesus gives a parable where a rich man is burning in hades, interacting with abraham, and asking for water to be placed on his tongue. Jesus repeatedly talks about people tossed into darkness or fire, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Starlight]

Very Interesting !I don't know much about Christian God, can you provide eternal hell reference from the bible ?

And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matthew 25:46

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matthew 25:41

but some christians do believe in universal salvation. They believe most Bibles is translated wrong. They believe the word eternal is wrong translated, They believe the correct word is long long time.

But most christians do believe in eternal hell or annhilation

 

[Sand Dancer]

God in sikhism seems more loving than the Christian God. In sikhism God give his children many chances to learn and grow because sikhism believe in reincarnation.
But in Christianity God give his children only one lifetime and if you fail you are sentenced to eternal hell or annihilation.

So the sikhism God is uconditional loving, but the Christian God is not...

What do you think about what i wrote now? Some thoughts?

I agree. No thoughts at this time.

 

[Truthseeker]

God in sikhism seems more loving than the Christian God. In sikhism God give his children many chances to learn and grow because sikhism believe in reincarnation.
But in Christianity God give his children only one lifetime and if you fail you are sentenced to eternal hell or annihilation.

So the sikhism God is uconditional loving, but the Christian God is not...

What do you think about what I wrote now? Some thoughts?

It's not so black and white in Christianity I believe, though it seemed that way to many Christians. Sikhism was an attempt to reconcile Islam and Hindu, though I think this attempt was unconscious. The gurus were influenced by the Muslims and Hindus in India around them. In other words they were not trying to deceive people that they were Prophets in my opinion. They have good principles, which is why many have followed this religion.

For me, though they may have been inspired by God, this was not Revelation, which means for me they were not infallible, though they said good things.

On the other hand, what Jesus said was Revelation in my opinion. There are some problems with what exactly he said, as what was said was written decades later. Then you have interpret some ambiguous things He said. In my opinion, what Jesus said about the afterlife is truth, and I don't believe it was different in concept from what Baha'u'llah said. Baha'u'llah said there are different levels in the next world depending on your faith and conduct. There are not just two states of being, there are many in the next world.

 

[GURSIKH]

It's not so black and white in Christianity I believe, though it seemed that way to many Christians. Sikhism was an attempt to reconcile Islam and Hindu, though I think this attempt was unconscious. The gurus were influenced by the Muslims and Hindus in India around them. In other words they were not trying to deceive people that they were Prophets in my opinion. They have good principles, which is why many have followed this religion.

For me, though they may have been inspired by God, this was not Revelation, which means for me they were not infallible, though they said good things.

On the other hand, what Jesus said was Revelation in my opinion. There are some problems with what exactly he said, as what was said was written decades later. Then you have interpret some ambiguous things He said. In my opinion, what Jesus said about the afterlife is truth, and I don't believe it was different in concept from what Baha'u'llah said. Baha'u'llah said there are different levels in the next world depending on your faith and conduct. There are not just two states of being, there are many in the next world.

Dear Truthseeker, your above post describe Sikhi and Sikh Gurus in Abrahmic frame of reference, Sikh is Dharmic faith that don't believe in Prophets and Revelation. Sikh God is not hiding and waiting now in ambush to fry some in hell after the Judgement day. Sikh God is like an Ocean and all creation is like its droplets separated/ evaporated from the Ocean. We all are on our journey back home towards Ocean. Guru/ Guru' words can guide us on the journey. Our journey completes on merging with the Ocean, becoming the Ocean.



Ang 644 of Guru Granth Sahib Ji - SikhiToTheMax

 

[Muffled]

Very Interesting !I don't know much about Christian God, can you provide eternal hell reference from the bible ?

I believe Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life..." Isn't truth the meaning of Sat?

 

[Muffled]

Dear Truthseeker, your above post describe Sikhi and Sikh Gurus in Abrahmic frame of reference, Sikh is Dharmic faith that don't believe in Prophets and Revelation. Sikh God is not hiding and waiting now in ambush to fry some in hell after the Judgement day. Sikh God is like an Ocean and all creation is like its droplets separated/ evaporated from the Ocean. We all are on our journey back home towards Ocean. Guru/ Guru' words can guide us on the journey. Our journey completes on merging with the Ocean, becoming the Ocean.



Ang 644 of Guru Granth Sahib Ji - SikhiToTheMax

I believe that is apples and oranges. Hell is what God has planned for the unrepentant sinner. Omnipresence or an ocean if you wish is an attribute of God. I believe the final outcome God is looking for is that everyone will be free from sin. That is the goal of Islam. However in the meantime God is doing a stopgap where the world is free from sin by those who choose that and Hell is a prison to keep sinners out of the world.

 

[Truthseeker]

Dear Truthseeker, your above post describe Sikhi and Sikh Gurus in Abrahmic frame of reference, Sikh is Dharmic faith that don't believe in Prophets and Revelation. Sikh God is not hiding and waiting now in ambush to fry some in hell after the Judgement day. Sikh God is like an Ocean and all creation is like its droplets separated/ evaporated from the Ocean. We all are on our journey back home towards Ocean. Guru/ Guru' words can guide us on the journey. Our journey completes on merging with the Ocean, becoming the Ocean.



Ang 644 of Guru Granth Sahib Ji - SikhiToTheMax

Their definition of guru seems like prophet, only with a different name to me, when I looked at Wikipedia about Sikhism.

Guru Nanak stated that his Guru is God who is the same from the beginning of time to the end of time.[108] Nanak said to be a God's slave and servant, but maintained that he was only a guide and teacher.[109][110] Nanak stated that the human Guru is mortal, who is to be respected and loved but not worshipped.[109] When Guru, or SatGuru (The true Guru) is used in Gurbani it is often referring to the highest expression of truthfulness.

Look again at this carefully, being only a guide and teacher doesn't imply quite being a Prophet with a different name. It doesn't look like he claimed infallibility, which is what my definition of Prophet would be. Sorry if I misconstrued this.

Like I said, I do think they were inspired, but not infallible. I don't believe in reincarnation, which would clash with what Baha'u'llah, Muhammad, or Jesus taught.

We never quite merge with the Ocean, we to infinity keep our own identity, though merging closer and closer with the Ocean over time.

 

[GURSIKH]

I believe Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life..." Isn't truth the meaning of Sat?

can you please elaborate a bit ?

 

[GURSIKH]

I believe that is apples and oranges. Hell is what God has planned for the unrepentant sinner. Omnipresence or an ocean if you wish is an attribute of God. I believe the final outcome God is looking for is that everyone will be free from sin. That is the goal of Islam. However in the meantime God is doing a stopgap where the world is free from sin by those who choose that and Hell is a prison to keep sinners out of the world.

May I ask what do you mean by Unrepentant Sinner ? How can Hell or punishment makes someone free from the Sin ? Is such thing written in Scripture that after freedom from Sin, they will be called back to Heaven ?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

May I ask what do you mean by Unrepentant Sinner ? How can Hell or punishment makes someone free from the Sin ? Is such thing written in Scripture that after freedom from Sin, they will be called back to Heaven ?

GURSIKH, if you're not a Christian, then I strongly advise you to not concern yourself with any Christian teaching about the afterlife or otherwise, and I say this as an ex-Christian who was hoodwinked by Christianity for thirty years. It's a religion of fear, shame and guilt trips. It's fear of God, fear of hell, and shame and guilt trips from sinning. A lifetime of disobeying God earns you an eternity of immeasurable torture and suffering in hell. If the fear of going to hell isn't a self-defeating guilt trip, then I don't know what is.

According to the Bible, if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior, and you don't receive God's forgiveness for 'sinning' against him, then you will be cast into hell for all eternity. However, as I demonstrated in this thread, the Bible contradicts itself on what it teaches about the afterlife. For example, Hebrews 9:27 says that people are destined to die once and after that face judgment, but Revelation 20:13 says that the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. FYI, there are many contradictions in the Bible (101 Clear Contradictions In The Bible; Top 20 Most Damning Bible Contradictions). Lastly, take whatever the Bible says about the afterlife with a grain of salt.

 

[GURSIKH]

GURSIKH, if you're not a Christian, then I strongly advise you to not concern yourself with any Christian teaching about the afterlife or otherwise, and I say this as an ex-Christian who was hoodwinked by Christianity for thirty years. It's a religion of fear, shame and guilt trips. It's fear of God, fear of hell, and shame and guilt trips from sinning. A lifetime of disobeying God earns you an eternity of immeasurable torture and suffering in hell. If the fear of going to hell isn't a self-defeating guilt trip, then I don't know what is.

According to the Bible, if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior, and you don't receive God's forgiveness for 'sinning' against him, then you will be cast into hell for all eternity. However, as I demonstrated in this thread, the Bible contradicts itself on what it teaches about the afterlife. For example, Hebrews 9:27 says that people are destined to die once and after that face judgment, but Revelation 20:13 says that the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. FYI, there are many contradictions in the Bible (101 Clear Contradictions In The Bible; Top 20 Most Damning Bible Contradictions). Lastly, take whatever the Bible says about the afterlife with a grain of salt.

Dear, I can imagine how much trauma and pain such ideology can instigate on soul. I am happy that you are free from it now.