"I mean does God like good because it is good or is it good because God likes it?"
Euthyphro dilemma
"Is it moral because it's good or is it moral because God commands it"
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God is a liar?
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"I mean does God like good because it is good or is it good because God likes it?"
Euthyphro dilemma
"Is it moral because it's good or is it moral because God commands it"
riley2112
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The ancient Greek philosopher Euthyphro developed a theory of moral correctness stating that, what is pleasing to the gods is holy, and what is not pleasing to them is unholy. In other words, what God approves of is morally right, and what God disapproves of is morally wrong. This form of thought, known as the Divine Command Theory, is perhaps among the most basic of theories relating morality and religion. Plato challenged this conjecture by asking, Is what is morally right, right because God approves of it or commands it, or rather, does God command it because it is right? Both possibilities are contradictory to the theory itself by imposing conditions that result in the disproving of God. This question, known as the Euthyphro dilemma, has no commonly accepted solutions, but has some value in explaining and developing more acceptable theories. The problems encountered are particularly useful in refuting the Divine Command Theory.
(The Euthyphro Dilemma Explained, and a Universal Definition of God.)
riley2112
Active Member
Not trying to be a brat here, but how do you know that God is good. I mean , really, how do you know.
Blackdog22
Well-Known Member
So God is good because you believe he is good? If I believe God is bad does that make him bad?
You have observed and analyzed God? I think that deserves a Nobel Prize. Would you mind posting what he looks like and the results of your analysis?
edit: By, "Results of your analysis," I mean what did you analyze that led to God = good?
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riley2112
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I too know he is good. I too have observed his works. As for what he looks like , well he is kinda hard to discibe. As for the results of my analysis, I feel good with him, I feel complete I do not feel lost anymore. Is that what you where looking for? Please understand that I only speak for myself and have no knowledge of how any one else may feel. So , would you mind posting what makes you feel he is bad?
How do you know it's his works?
riley2112
Active Member
I was wondering how long it would take someone to ask that question, because I would.
I know it is Him the same way I know it is my wife when she touches me without me seeing her. The same way I know how my child will act when she wants to go to sleep. After awhile you get to know the people and things you are close to, the things that make your life what it is . They become part of you. I wish I could tell you more but then, That is how I know , I could not say how anyone else would know.
so it's subjective rather than objective? Not amazingly convincing :/
riley2112
Active Member
No it is not all that convincing to some one that does not know how I was and how I am now. If you did then with out a doubt you would be able to see the differenct in me when I did not beleive and now that I do. But then again. Who do i need to convince?
Did God (an infinite creature) come to Earth, specifically you (VERY VERY finite being in a VERY finite place that is also within a mostly finite place)?
And to observe includes seeing. How can you see something nonphysical (assuming you believe God is a spirit)
riley2112
Active Member
well. kinda.
I'm not denying religions ability to change people. The brain is a powerful thing
riley2112
Active Member
maybe , but I am not sure you could make my wife believe that my brain works that good.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
No. Belief is a result. You know that.
No need to mock me. We can talk in a more peaceful manner.
My belief is this: God created of Himself. He is the fullness of all good. We don't have every good and are of varying degrees in them, holding inheritances and losing them. We have certain knowledge, but not all, etc. When God created, we were good, according to our given purposes - but not every purpose there is. Only God is the fullness of every purpose. Only God has all good possibility.
Therefore, God is observable, as long as good is observable. I like knowledge, therefore, I like God. I like life, therefore, I like God. Etc. My analysis of God is all there is.
I can't detail every detail, so I'll let you ask your questions now.
ForeverFaithful
Son Worshiper
Satan got kicked out of heaven, doesn't look like his side is the winning oneNow that I have your attention
How can we know that God isn't deceiving us and that actually Satan is the one we should be following?
Just like in the movies where the protagonist get's banished from his kingdom only to return in triumph
Blackdog22
Well-Known Member
My apologies for the mocking tone. I just get this a lot and when asked how someone observes God I usually get tons of non answers.
I still don't know how you know God is good. I see you asserting that he is good, but I don't see any reason why. You state God is just, "The fullness of Good" and go from there and I have no idea what, "God created of himself," even means.
I can take your statement and replace God with Satan, Allah, Zeus, Myself, Krishna, Xenu, etc and it would still be just as meaningful.
None of this however answers how you observed and analyzed a being that is, by most Christian definitions, beyond time and space and thus beyond our ability to comprehend.
I guess a good question to ask would be, how do you define God, and go from there.