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God is all-inclusive, absolute reality - which includes Satan.

XIII-Legion

XIII-Legion

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1. God is the all-inclusive, absolute reality.

2. Therefore, conventional theology is wrong to assume that God and Satan are distinct and separate.

3. Rather than distinct and separate, Satan is part of God which is all-inclusive, absolute reality.

4. Therefore, the reality of God is all-inclusive; which includes good and evil, light and dark, masculine and feminine, hot and cold, hard and soft etc.

5. Therefore, God's purpose is both good and evil; and never completely good, since Satan is part of the all-inclusive, absolute reality of God.

6. The Lamb is slain from the foundation of the world; which means God had foreknowledge that He would send His Son Jesus to be crucified.

7. Therefore, God had foreknowledge that sin would enter the world through disobedience of the first human ancestors, Adam and Eve.

8. That is, the Fall of Man is preordained, and part of God's blueprint before He created the universe.

9. Although the Fall is contrary to God's will, it is still preordained to happen due to the agency of free will.

10. Also, the rebellion of Satan and his angels is preordained from the foundation of the world.

11. Therefore, the historical drama of good v. evil is preordained from the foundation of the world.

12. However, the historical drama and narrative has a purpose, which is to glorify the Creator.

So do you agree with the above argument?
 
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XIII-Legion

XIII-Legion

Member
ruffen said:
If not, are we God? Or are we not real?
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Cogito ergo sum implies we are real by the very fact we have thoughts.

But God and Man are not the same; although you could say we are part of God.

However, this doesn't negate the fact a social hierarchy does in fact exist; both in a temporal and spiritual sense.

On the earth, the rules of human society is a manifestation of God's invisible attributes. (Romans 1:20).

Therefore, if the social hierarchy applies to human society, you can be sure it would apply also to the spiritual hereafter.

But according to our Christian faith, Jesus is the only human who is the Son of God.

In other words, Jesus is the second personality in the Trinity, and equal to God.

No one else can be part of this Trinity, except the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Although we're all sons of the Most High, no human can be equal to Jesus; because no other person can be part of the Trinity. (Psalms 82:6).
 
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Nadia Faiazova

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Satan IS the opposer to God. In fact te term "Satan" means resister. It is hard to imagine that holy and perfect Almighty God would create a spirit creature with such a deplorable title
 
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ruffen

Active Member
So there's nothing besides God. Everything is part of God?

So my mobile phone is part of God! Fecis is part of God. Satan is part of God. Genetic disease is part of God. Sin is part of God. Evil is part of God. Wind is part of God.

In other words, God is just a metaphore for the Universe, not its ruler or its designer.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
XIII-Legion said:
1. God is the all-inclusive, absolute reality.

2. Therefore, conventional theology is wrong to assume that God and Satan are distinct and separate.

3. Rather than distinct and separate, Satan is part of God which is all-inclusive, absolute reality.

4. Therefore, the reality of God is all-inclusive; which includes good and evil, light and dark, masculine and feminine, hot and cold, hard and soft etc.

5. Therefore, God's purpose is both good and evil; and never completely good, since Satan is part of the all-inclusive, absolute reality of God.

6. The Lamb is slain from the foundation of the world; which means God had foreknowledge that He would send His Son Jesus to be crucified.

7. Therefore, God had foreknowledge that sin would enter the world through disobedience of the first human ancestors, Adam and Eve.

8. That is, the Fall of Man is preordained, and part of God's blueprint before He created the universe.

9. Although the Fall is contrary to God's will, it is still preordained to happen due to the agency of free will.

10. Also, the rebellion of Satan and his angels is preordained from the foundation of the world.

11. Therefore, the historical drama of good v. evil is preordained from the foundation of the world.

12. However, the historical drama and narrative has a purpose, which is to glorify the Creator.

So do you agree with the above argument?
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Wait...
Are you saying that God intentionally set Adam and Eve up to fail?
 
Sleeppy

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
I agree with everything except 10.. I'm not sure the angelic rebellion happened.
 
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