God is angry at religion

[Sha'irullah]

This i in accordance to those people who believe in god and but do not believe in the authority of scriptures and accept that they are man made. I came to this idea from a discussion with a fellow friend.

Wouldn't god be angry at us for attributing false holy books in his name? By declaring that certain scriptures are the direct words of god is essentially putting words in his mouth if he did not say these things ever in the history of the world.

I have come to the conclusion that the only people who are fit for a punishment in the hereafter are those who believe in the absolute authority of a religious scripture. Those who believe in the inerrancy of a holy book are more fit for Hell if God really did not give any man prophecies and all religions who cling to the "absolute word of god" excuse are essentially committing a sin against god. That sin would be lying in his name. This would also mean that the only sin one can commit is assigning false attributes to god

My personal opinion on this assumption is that if god cared about this matter then he would not be angry and would merely be laughing at us as if we were fools. The constant squabbling and bickering over the supposed "God's Words" are nothing more than the works of men and are merely jokes if god did not create them or any of them to begin with.

There is also great humor in this since it would imply that every fundamentalist is in fact the sinner and the one destined for damnation (although not eternal).

 

[Willamena]

If you don't believe in the scriptures, and you don't believe in Hell, then going around saying "so and so is more fit for Hell..." is hypocritical.

 

[Sha'irullah]

If you don't believe in the scriptures, and you don't believe in Hell, then going around saying "so and so is more fit for Hell..." is hypocritical.

How so? There are many who believe in divine punishment without scripture. Plus I am not referring to the usage of scripture but the authoritative belief in it. Declaring one's own opinion about god is entirely different from declaring yourself as a prophet and telling others you are speaking the words of god.

 

[Willamena]

How so? There are many who believe in divine punishment without scripture. Plus I am not referring to the usage of scripture but the authoritative belief in it. Declaring one's own opinion about god is entirely different from declaring yourself as a prophet and telling others you are speaking the words of god.

I guess I misunderstood, then.

 

[Vinayaka]

Wouldn't god be angry at us for attributing false holy books in his name?

Not much of a God if he can't control his anger. Even many people can do that.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Not much of a God if he can't control his anger. Even many people can do that.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Wouldn't god be angry at us for attributing false holy books in his name?

After all that would be a perfectly human, natural reaction, so obviously a nonhuman, preternatural deity would probably display such emotion.

Good grief ...​

 

[Ashoka]

Not much of a God if he can't control his anger. Even many people can do that.

Bwahahahaha

 

[idav]

This i in accordance to those people who believe in god and but do not believe in the authority of scriptures and accept that they are man made. I came to this idea from a discussion with a fellow friend.

Wouldn't god be angry at us for attributing false holy books in his name? By declaring that certain scriptures are the direct words of god is essentially putting words in his mouth if he did not say these things ever in the history of the world.

I have come to the conclusion that the only people who are fit for a punishment in the hereafter are those who believe in the absolute authority of a religious scripture. Those who believe in the inerrancy of a holy book are more fit for Hell if God really did not give any man prophecies and all religions who cling to the "absolute word of god" excuse are essentially committing a sin against god. That sin would be lying in his name. This would also mean that the only sin one can commit is assigning false attributes to god

My personal opinion on this assumption is that if god cared about this matter then he would not be angry and would merely be laughing at us as if we were fools. The constant squabbling and bickering over the supposed "God's Words" are nothing more than the works of men and are merely jokes if god did not create them or any of them to begin with.

There is also great humor in this since it would imply that every fundamentalist is in fact the sinner and the one destined for damnation (although not eternal).

This is absolutely correct.

Rule number 1:

"Thou shalt not have false gods before me"

With the amount of scripture and religion out there 99% will miss the mark. Atheists are safer.

 

[Penumbra]

Point 1)
If I, as a matter of principle, decide never to speak or communicate with anybody, or at least not in any way that they can reliably demonstrate their communications with me to be true, then I've essentially forfeited any right to be annoyed about misquotes, confusions, lack of belief, or inaccurate beliefs, about my character or my actions. At most, I could do a facepalm facepalm over poor fact-checking on the part of these people.

But to even further extend that concept, if I were somehow involved in the creation of these people, such as through the messy process of evolution that produces some undesirable intellectual characteristics in a significant subset of the population, then I've yet further removed any logical position I could have against these people.

Point 2)
The previous concept has all to do with equating a deity to something resembling a human personality to put it in human terms for logical discussion. But to say that deities are similar to humans, who are the result of the process of evolution, seems to be without basis. The idea of any deity, especially an omnipotent or omnipresent or monotheistic or panentheistic one, expressing "anger", has always seemed unfounded to me.

Point 3)
I don't think concepts like hell are morally defensible in any context.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Point 1)
If I, as a matter of principle, decide never to speak or communicate with anybody, or at least not in any way that they can reliably demonstrate their communications with me to be true, then I've essentially forfeited any right to be annoyed about misquotes, confusions, lack of belief, or inaccurate beliefs, about my character or my actions. At most, I could do a facepalm facepalm over poor fact-checking on the part of these people.

But to even further extend that concept, if I were somehow involved in the creation of these people, such as through the messy process of evolution that produces some undesirable intellectual characteristics in a significant subset of the population, then I've yet further removed any logical position I could have against these people.

Point 2)
The previous concept has all to do with equating a deity to something resembling a human personality to put it in human terms for logical discussion. But to say that deities are similar to humans, who are the result of the process of evolution, seems to be without basis. The idea of any deity, especially an omnipotent or omnipresent or monotheistic or panentheistic one, expressing "anger", has always seemed unfounded to me.

Point 3)
I don't think concepts like hell are morally defensible in any context.

I used the term anger but not in a literal sense which is why I displayed this act as "sin" meaning immoral or against god's will. The only known way to express go is human. Love, Forgiveness and empathy are human traits as well yet we always say god loves mankind

 

[SageTree]

“Concepts create idols; only wonder grasps anything.”

― St. Gregory of Nyssa, The Life of Moses

I tend to think scriptural traditions can border on this.

Not just idol in the literal sense....
We can still look at icons or statues with great mystery in our heart.

The meaning of idol here runs a little deeper methinks.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

There's a population of bacteria living on a tiny area of my small intestine who think that I have a moustache. This enrages me to no end.

 

[Thief]

This i in accordance to those people who believe in god and but do not believe in the authority of scriptures and accept that they are man made. I came to this idea from a discussion with a fellow friend.

Wouldn't god be angry at us for attributing false holy books in his name? By declaring that certain scriptures are the direct words of god is essentially putting words in his mouth if he did not say these things ever in the history of the world.

I have come to the conclusion that the only people who are fit for a punishment in the hereafter are those who believe in the absolute authority of a religious scripture. Those who believe in the inerrancy of a holy book are more fit for Hell if God really did not give any man prophecies and all religions who cling to the "absolute word of god" excuse are essentially committing a sin against god. That sin would be lying in his name. This would also mean that the only sin one can commit is assigning false attributes to god

My personal opinion on this assumption is that if god cared about this matter then he would not be angry and would merely be laughing at us as if we were fools. The constant squabbling and bickering over the supposed "God's Words" are nothing more than the works of men and are merely jokes if god did not create them or any of them to begin with.

There is also great humor in this since it would imply that every fundamentalist is in fact the sinner and the one destined for damnation (although not eternal).

Ok...so people using scripture as a crutch ARE in serious trouble.

The Devil knows the scriptures.....ALL of them....
and He doesn't hang out in heaven.

Saving grace in scripture recitals?......I don't think so.

 

[LovingChild]

This i in accordance to those people who believe in god and but do not believe in the authority of scriptures and accept that they are man made. I came to this idea from a discussion with a fellow friend.

Wouldn't god be angry at us for attributing false holy books in his name? By declaring that certain scriptures are the direct words of god is essentially putting words in his mouth if he did not say these things ever in the history of the world.

I have come to the conclusion that the only people who are fit for a punishment in the hereafter are those who believe in the absolute authority of a religious scripture. Those who believe in the inerrancy of a holy book are more fit for Hell if God really did not give any man prophecies and all religions who cling to the "absolute word of god" excuse are essentially committing a sin against god. That sin would be lying in his name. This would also mean that the only sin one can commit is assigning false attributes to god

My personal opinion on this assumption is that if god cared about this matter then he would not be angry and would merely be laughing at us as if we were fools. The constant squabbling and bickering over the supposed "God's Words" are nothing more than the works of men and are merely jokes if god did not create them or any of them to begin with.

There is also great humor in this since it would imply that every fundamentalist is in fact the sinner and the one destined for damnation (although not eternal).

My dear friend,

everyone may call me silly, but I do (!) really believe that the bible is the Word of God, which means that it is not "man made", but inspired by God Himself.
He only used humans as 'secretaries' who wrote down what He told them to write.

For me the inner harmony of the books of the bible is one proof for inspiration. I know that many speak about contradictions in the bible, but if you take time to research the correct references, context and background information, those contradictions always are solved.
Then think about the survival of the bible in spite of so many attacks in history. No other book has been persecuted in such a way and yet been read until today than the bible.
Another point of proof for me is that although the original scrolls have been copied by human writers and thus have been conserved, there are only minor copy-faults. I read that those are so few and not sense-changing, so that I cannot help but assume that God has protected His Word so that everyone can read it and chose to believe.

Love, LovingChild

 

[chinu]

Not much of a God if he can't control his anger. Even many people can do that.

Really some people think that God is also like them

 

[repiv]

If you don't believe in the scriptures, and you don't believe in Hell, then going around saying "so and so is more fit for Hell..." is hypocritical.

There are no gates or walls to hell. We create ourselves and willing choose to live in it. Hell is of our own making, both physical and spiritual.

 

[Thief]

So we digress to what a human has control of?

IF...there is Something Greater.....and I think there is.....

HE...would be in control.
He is ALLOWING us to be whatever we become.

But entry into His presence has certain 'aspects'.

Why hang out with 'lesser' characters?.....when the least of His servants are at hand?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Then think about the survival of the bible in spite of so many attacks in history. No other book has been persecuted in such a way and yet been read until today than the bible.

You forgot to mention that the persecution was mostly being done by the Christians and the first movement was backed by an emperor who gave Christians more than enough immunity

 

[Sha'irullah]

So we digress to what a human has control of?

IF...there is Something Greater.....and I think there is.....

HE...would be in control.
He is ALLOWING us to be whatever we become.

But entry into His presence has certain 'aspects'.

Why hang out with 'lesser' characters?.....when the least of His servants are at hand?

This are very inspiring things you have said just now. I do not believe that what we experience is somehow meant for us. God does not send down his message and ask for such petty ritualistic commandments.
As to what is deemed pure and what is deemed impure to be within the presence of god I do not know.
Perhaps it is merely a fact of believing in his existence and his greatness. I am not sure