God is disproven by science? Really?

[ElishaElijah]

Sorry, but that is another claim that you would have to prove. There is no evidence that such a being was needed and evidence that tells us that it could have risen naturally.

Evidence can be a very useful concept if one understands it.

Does the computer, TV, or anything get built without someone building it? Anything? An analogy for evolution is out of this explosion came this well designed Ferrari full of gas, then it branches off and we got the single story house that turned into a skyscraper, this happened on its own, by nature.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Does the computer, TV, or anything get built without someone building it? Anything? An analogy for evolution is out of this explosion came this well designed Ferrari full of gas, then it branches off and we got the single story house that turned into a skyscraper, this happened on its own, by nature.

The watchmaker argument was refuted eons ago. Google search "refuting the watchmaker argument". Ignore the lying creationist sties.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The watchmaker argument was refuted eons ago. Google search "refuting the watchmaker argument". Ignore the lying creationist sties.

Does anything get built without someone building it? We copy our Creator, even you give praise to God without knowing it.

 

[blü 2]

This is really funny! How many papers does a scientist have to write and explain to show what he found concerning intelligence. Defining and demonstrating and now it’s more unintelligent talk from some on here to explain again. Use your own words???
Well done @MrIntelligentDesign

@MrIntelligentDesign has chosen to be the advocate for an idea that strikes me as outright specious. But rather than jump to that conclusion, I've asked him to clarify what he's advocating.

And you've seen the result so far ─ no reply in his own words. It's getting more and more reasonable to conclude he doesn't really know, he just kinda likes this wafty notion thing.

But it's not too late for him to explain himself clearly ─ if he can.

 

[F1fan]

Why would you use ad hominem and then not even answer the question? Why say anything about it?

You made a false statement in a debate about science. Your false statement is a common mistake by creationists. Your error being revealed is not an ad hom. If you are going to make false statements in a debate you will be corrected.

But the misleading part is from evolutionist, what scientist see are changes within species, then try to apply that to all of creation for example the human evolved from a ape or chimp or monkey. This cannot be proven in the least. Go ahead tell me evolutions starting point.

This is also a false statement and is misleading from what science actually states. It is your responsibility to educate yourself on the issues you oppose. You are reading religious, anti-science sources so your statements will reflect those errors. Get your science right.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You made a false statement in a debate about science. Your false statement is a common mistake by creationists. Your error being revealed is not an ad hom. If you are going to make false statements in a debate you will be corrected.


This is also a false statement and is misleading from what science actually states. It is your responsibility to educate yourself on the issues you oppose. You are reading religious, anti-science sources so your statements will reflect those errors. Get your science right.

What’s your starting point in the evolutionary process?
This debate is about God and Science so you would need to know about God, yes? Intelligence vs non intelligence as far as Creation.
Can science predict the future? Should be able to seen as the claim is to be able to look back millions and millions of years ago and determine what happened from then till now.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This is also a false statement and is misleading from what science actually states.

What is the science claim then?

 

[F1fan]

What’s your starting point in the evolutionary process?

I'm doing your homework for you. I defer to experts in science, so whatever textbooks report that is my position. And we know that you have contempt for science, so your asking me, or anyone else, is not genuine. You will dismiss anyone who defers to experts in science because you have contempt for experts in science. That is what creationists do.

This debate is about God and Science so you would need to know about God, yes? Intelligence vs non intelligence as far as Creation.

Science is a fact-based investigation of the universe. there are no Gods known to exist, so Gods are irrelevant. Creationists are desperate to try to shoe horn their idea of God not science, but it is a historical failure.

Can science predict the future? Should be able to seen as the claim is to be able to look back millions and millions of years ago and determine what happened from then till now.

If science has data and a pattern of the data it can make predictions. This is how climate change models are created. As we know data changes and there are many variables that cannot be predicted 100%, so the models don't always predict with 100% accuracy. This is the search for truth, and it works, albeit flawed.

What do creationists do? They misrepresent science. They pray. And neither works.

 

[F1fan]

What is the science claim then?

You wrote this:

But the misleading part is from evolutionist, what scientist see are changes within species, then try to apply that to all of creation for example the human evolved from a ape or chimp or monkey. This cannot be proven in the least. Go ahead tell me evolutions starting point.​

Humans did NOT evolve from apes. Humans are primates like apes and monkeys. Humans evolved from common ancestors to apes and monkeys.

And when did evolution start? Likely when organic chemicals formed into primitive life forms. The definitive answer is available for you to look up.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, if you claim that God does not exist, then, you basically claim that an Intelligent Designer or Intelligent creator of say, universe, life, etc, does not exist. But, what do you mean by intelligence and why?

I think of a friend's almost 20 years younger smart sister. She was a very good student.
Since she was past her middle 20's she did not expect to get pregnant. She liked having sex.
She got pregnant from a low IQ guy and her son is 'slow' almost as bad as his father.

I have two cousins both top graduates who married high IQ persons.
Both had 4 children and all 8 children are very smart like the parents.

A smart co-worker told me her half-brother was low IQ.
She told me retardation is hereditary.

All we have to do is look up into the heavens and see intelligence in design.
Intelligence shows a mind, a mind shows a person, and a person shows personality.
God's personality reflected in love and wisdom besides His power.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You wrote this:

But the misleading part is from evolutionist, what scientist see are changes within species, then try to apply that to all of creation for example the human evolved from a ape or chimp or monkey. This cannot be proven in the least. Go ahead tell me evolutions starting point.​

Humans did NOT evolve from apes. Humans are primates like apes and monkeys. Humans evolved from common ancestors to apes and monkeys.

And when did evolution start? Likely when organic chemicals formed into primitive life forms. The definitive answer is available for you to look up.

Well science doesn’t know:
7 Theories on the Origin of Life

 

[ElishaElijah]

Humans evolved from common ancestors to apes and monkeys.

What are you saying is our common ancestor?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Science is a fact-based investigation of the universe. there are no Gods known to exist, so Gods are irrelevant. Creationists are desperate to try to shoe horn their idea of God not science, but it is a historical failure.

When I look at the Biblical account of Creation in Genesis and then rest of the Bible through Revelation and compare this other scenario here Humanity's Journey, from the Big Bang to the Present (Op-Ed).
Just living in this world and making observations, my whole life experience with God before I met Him to when I prayed for deliverance and He showed up, the Bible account is what I observe. When you say God doesn’t answer prayer or deliver people I’m thinking you missed out on a lot.
The science version makes no sense at all, just a lot of theory and guessing. Really, billions of years, we are the only planet with life and you can’t see the obvious?

 

[ElishaElijah]

@MrIntelligentDesign has chosen to be the advocate for an idea that strikes me as outright specious. But rather than jump to that conclusion, I've asked him to clarify what he's advocating.

And you've seen the result so far ─ no reply in his own words. It's getting more and more reasonable to conclude he doesn't really know, he just kinda likes this wafty notion thing.

But it's not too late for him to explain himself clearly ─ if he can.

If you go and read what he posted number 5 has the definitions. Have you read his work or not?

 

[F1fan]

I think of a friend's almost 20 years younger smart sister. She was a very good student.
Since she was past her middle 20's she did not expect to get pregnant. She liked having sex.
She got pregnant from a low IQ guy and her son is 'slow' almost as bad as his father.

I have two cousins both top graduates who married high IQ persons.
Both had 4 children and all 8 children are very smart like the parents.

A smart co-worker told me her half-brother was low IQ.
She told me retardation is hereditary.

All we have to do is look up into the heavens and see intelligence in design.
Intelligence shows a mind, a mind shows a person, and a person shows personality.
God's personality reflected in love and wisdom besides His power.

Do you think the human design by God that includes children being born with genes that cause cancers indicates high or low intelligence?

 

[F1fan]

When I look at the Biblical account of Creation in Genesis and then rest of the Bible through Revelation and compare this other scenario here Humanity's Journey, from the Big Bang to the Present (Op-Ed).
Just living in this world and making observations, my whole life experience with God before I met Him to when I prayed for deliverance and He showed up, the Bible account is what I observe. When you say God doesn’t answer prayer or deliver people I’m thinking you missed out on a lot.
The science version makes no sense at all, just a lot of theory and guessing. Really, billions of years, we are the only planet with life and you can’t see the obvious?

Of course you were exposed to religion BEFORE you interpreted what you saw and experienced of the world, so that is likely the reason you think there's a God. Notice science and objectivity weeds out the religious influences and it does NOT see any supernatural causes to anything.

 

[F1fan]

What are you saying is our common ancestor?

Another question that you can look up for yourself. Are you lazy?

When I look at the Biblical account of Creation in Genesis and then rest of the Bible through Revelation and compare this other scenario here Humanity's Journey, from the Big Bang to the Present (Op-Ed).
Just living in this world and making observations, my whole life experience with God before I met Him to when I prayed for deliverance and He showed up, the Bible account is what I observe. When you say God doesn’t answer prayer or deliver people I’m thinking you missed out on a lot.

the Bible is irrelevant if you want to know what is true about the universe.

The science version makes no sense at all, just a lot of theory and guessing. Really, billions of years, we are the only planet with life and you can’t see the obvious?

See, you have contempt for science, so why ask any of us questions that have scientific answers?

 

[blü 2]

If you go and read what he posted number 5 has the definitions. Have you read his work or not?

I want his definition, his understanding. I want his own statement of what (if anything) he intends to denote when he says "intelligence".

And as you can see, so far it appears he doesn't know.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Your word salad does not make sense.
I told you that if you do not know intelligence, then, you cannot explain reality in science.

The New Intelligent Design and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

I've already read your essays about your belief system. It isn't science.

Your claims about intelligence don't make any sense. And that is not a failure on my part.

I realize that you believe you have done something, but no one I have ever seen can find evidence you did anything. I've read your stuff and it makes no sense. It isn't science. It isn't even intelligent design.

You are not a recognized authority in any of the topics you want to discuss. You don't provide any valid reason to give your ideas more than a brief look to realize it is nothing.

Considering that none of belief system is in any reputable journal tells me that peer review works.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That is why before you post, try to know your opponent.

The New Intelligent Design and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

I'm pretty sure that we all know about you and have a good understanding of what you are up to.