Subduction Zone
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God's existence is not observable. So are you saying that God doesn't exist? I have a feeling that you have no idea as to what intelligence is.
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God is disproven by science? Really?
- Thread starter MrIntelligentDesign
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This is your brain:
This is your brain on intelligence:
I figured out the age-old question. . . "Which came first, the chicken or the egg."
Every cell in a chicken's parent would have to have altered DNA to be something other than a chicken. But, an egg is just one cell, so it is easier to alter the DNA.
Thus, the egg was first, and the chicken grew as the egg divided through mitosis.
Theists believe that God made the egg out of mud. Doesn't that seem difficult to understand?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is no Intelligent Design. There are only indications of Incompetent Design.
So now you should provide proof of your accusation
"Many people mostly atheists believe that God has been disproven or has being shown to be non-existent"
I'll wait
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I didn't ask you for that.
I asked you for a description of a real god, (non-imaginary, found in nature, having objective existence) such that if we find a real suspect we can determine whether it's God (or a god) or not.
If you're not talking about a real God, simply a conceptual one, please just say so.
If you're talking about a real God, I need that description to know what you're talking about. So, I suggest, do you.
I'm distinguishing between two ways in which something can be said to be.
First, it can have objective existence. That means it's found in the world external to the self, objective reality, nature, the realm of the physical sciences.
Or it can be purely as a concept / thing imagined in an individual brain.
Sometimes a third option is mentioned, existing as 'spirit' or the like, but no objective test can distinguish that from the conceptual / imaginary.
Do you have a fourth option?
MrIntelligentDesign
Active Member
What is your problem?
MrIntelligentDesign
Active Member
Are you basing your faith/belief in TO SEE IS TO BELIVE?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I do not have faith. Faith is a flaw.
MrIntelligentDesign
Active Member
That is not imaginary since our mind could understand intelligence from reality, from my discovery. Thus, you are inventing your own reality and God.
MrIntelligentDesign
Active Member
WHAT?? All humans, except an insane, have faith in something.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What makes you think that? Please support that claim.
It's certainly fair to say to someone who's trying to sell an idea, "Show me."
That does not compute.
When you've told me what a real God is, such that I can tell whether any real candidate is God or not, please follow up with your definition of "intelligence" here. It doesn't appear to be the same as mine, but before I reach any firm conclusion, let's hear your version.
I seriously doubt that the insane are necessarily faithless. I also seriously doubt that you have the knowledge base (much less the credentials) to make such a preposterous claim.
What I do not doubt is that further discussion with you is worthless.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Have you ever heard of turning the other cheek, loving your neighbor as yourself, loving your enemies, and treating others the way you want to be treated? Since you're a Christian, I assume that you've read the New Testament. Hence, you should know that these commands are directed towards the followers of Christ. So, where does the name-calling ("non-intelligent people") fit in with them?
And isn't it the primary responsibility of a Christian to be an ambassador of Christ and fulfill the Great Commission to "go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, of the son, and of the holy spirit"? I don't recall any scriptures in the New Testament commanding the followers of Jesus Christ to prove that God exists to unbelievers. On the contrary, Romans 1:19-20 states that since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities have been clearly seen and can be understood. If this scripture is the infallible and inerrant word of God, then why do you think it's necessary to prove his existence to atheists? If God is all-powerful and all-knowing as the Bible claims, then why does he need you and other creationists like you to prove to unbelievers that he exists?
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joe1776
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No, not a fourth option. In my earlier post, I described what would amount to a different perception of your third option.
Your third option, IMO, sets up a false dichotomy: (1) It passes an objective test or (2) It can't be distinguished from the imagined.
You are omitting the logically possible existence of everything that we currently can't test for. For example, it's logically possible that if the left brain is damaged and goes offline, we might experience an 'oceanic' feeling of love and oneness.
That happened to one stroke-damaged brain of a woman who happened to be a brain scientist. But we can't test it for it by deliberately damaging the left brains of people and sending them offline.
Nevertheless, it's one of many possibilities that can't pass an objective test. Yet it can be distinguished from the imagined.
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Well I disagree.
Can... you prove to me through ID how it is Brahma the Creator exists?