The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Which books are you referring to?
The Bible & the Quran.
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Which books are you referring to?
I attempted this title once before
it didn't go far
but there are many new people around the table.....so.....
No vote as 'god doesn't exist' wasn't a poll option.
As an aside, it isn't the insanity of a fictional entity that worries me, but rather the insanity of it's believers.
The Bible & the Quran.
I think we might be able to get everyone to agree at least on God being whatever created/creates the universe.
If you think the Bible says that God is whack-a-doodle that tells me that you're not real bright, just don't get it, didn't like it or you're the one whose a few bricks short of a load.
The Quran I do not hold to be God's word so I couldn't care less what it says.
The Bible doesn't say your god is whack-a-doodle. It's a perception gained from his conduct as recorded in its pages - and it's definitely a reasonable one - gives humans free will, wipes out almost all life on Earth to punish humans for using free will; would this sound sane to you if a human did it?.
But you stick to your cute little personal attacks since you have no actual argument to make.
The Bible says that God is holy. He created all; He giveth and He taketh away.
Interesting. Are you implying that the universe doesn't exist? Maybe that it doesn't change. I seem to notice that it changes. Something creates the changes. Hawking talks about spontaneous self-creation out of nothing, still a creation, so I guess his God is self.I can assure you you are mistaken as I, for one, would never agree to that definition. What makes you think the universe was 'created' at all?
Interesting. Are you implying that the universe doesn't exist? Maybe that it doesn't change. I seem to notice that it changes. Something creates the changes. Hawking talks about spontaneous self-creation out of nothing, still a creation, so I guess his God is self.
Huh? You seem to be reading a lot of inferences I didn't mean into things I didn't say. Coffee shop speculation isn't worth much to me.
Change and creation are different words, with completely different definitions.Well, the universe seems to be continually changing. So, it's being re-created. Either something recreates it or it spontaneously re-creates itself. I would define whatever is doing the creation/re-creation as God. The universe as God is one definition. I would probably disagree, but it's a definition I can understand.
Not sure about the coffee shop thingy.
The 'might = right' cop-out doesn't address the fact that planetary ecocide is an inherently irrational action to take in order to punish humans for exercising free will we were allegedly created with. The Bible also treats unicorns as real so how reliable is it, really?
Change and creation are different words, with completely different definitions.
Well sure, when something 'changes' we apprehend it differently, and thus use a different word to describe it, and thusly bestow upon it it's own separate 'thingness'.Yes and no. I do understand your use of change and creation. It is my belief that a change requires a re-creation. I suppose that's a whole 'nuther topic though. I apologize for the confusion.
This is neither here nor there in regards to your assertion that it could be universally agreed upon that we could or should name whatever is responsible for 'creating' apprehended reality 'god', nor whether such a creation ever took place or is required.
The Quran I do not hold to be God's word so I couldn't care less what it says.
I attempted this title once before
it didn't go far
but there are many new people around the table.....so.....