God is love and just

[Fool]

God is love and just.

The Bible has stories where innocent people get killed

What is then the conclusion?

The Bible has errors.. or we humans do not understand the Bible properly?

Whatdo you think?

because someone is loving doesn't mean everyone is loving in some static form. love is a force that keeps on giving, moving like the butterfly in the chaos effect. no one knows when it's coming, where it comes from, nor where it will travel to but at every moment it is present. be here now.

i wish i could help you to see these downtown lights in that city on the hill

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let your love light shine before others so they might understand the work and glorify your mother/father; which is in heaven and earth. for our father is spirit and love and so we must worship in the spirit of love

 

[1213]

The death of Jesus on the cross was supposed to be a sacrifice.

Please explain why do you think so?

May I ask you a question? If God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus was only dead for a few days. How does that constitute a 'sacrifice' on the part of God or Jesus?

I think the sacrifice of Jesus was that he used his life for our benefit. He could have had all the kingdoms of the earth and easy life, but instead he chose to use it for others. The same way disciples of Jesus ("Christians" ) are expected to walk in love and so sacrifice their life for others, by doing good.

Walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling fragrance.
Eph. 5:2

 

[Trailblazer]

Please explain why do you think so?

I was not saying that I think so. I said "The death of Jesus on the cross was supposed to be a sacrifice."
According to what I know of Christian doctrine Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross as a way of atoning for the original sin of Adam and Eve.
The doctrine teaches that Jesus had to die on the cross so we could be saved from the original sin and have eternal life.

For them the death of Jesus was part of a divine plan to save humanity. The death and resurrection of this one man is at the very heart of the Christian faith. For Christians it is through Jesus's death that people's broken relationship with God is restored. This is known as the Atonement. Sep 18, 2009

Religions - Christianity: Why did Jesus die? - BBC​

I think the sacrifice of Jesus was that he used his life for our benefit. He could have had all the kingdoms of the earth and easy life, but instead he chose to use it for others. The same way disciples of Jesus ("Christians" ) are expected to walk in love and so sacrifice their life for others, by doing good.

Walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling fragrance.
Eph. 5:2

That is in line with what I believe. I do not believe in atonement for our sins because I do not believe in original sin.

“The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality.”
Some Answered Questions, p. 118

 

[1213]

I was not saying that I think so. I said "The death of Jesus on the cross was supposed to be a sacrifice."
According to what I know of Christian doctrine Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross as a way of atoning for the original sin of Adam and Eve.
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Ok, thanks for the clarification.

Religions - Christianity: Why did Jesus die? - BBC​

I think it is interesting that many seem to ignore that Bible actually says directly why Jesus died:

For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9

That is in line with what I believe. I do not believe in atonement for our sins because I do not believe in original sin.

Interesting. I think sin is to reject God, or be apart from God. A&E rejected God, which is why also we are born apart from God. Jesus came to restore the connection. In that way he can be seen as "atonement" for original sin. But I don't think it is because of his death, it is because of his words and what change they can make in person.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think sin is to reject God, or be apart from God. A&E rejected God, which is why also we are born apart from God. Jesus came to restore the connection. In that way he can be seen as "atonement" for original sin. But I don't think it is because of his death, it is because of his words and what change they can make in person.

I do not believe there was literally an original sin, since I believe that the story of A & E was allegorical. In the story, eating the fruit symbolizes rejecting God, which was the sin they committed. Jesus came to restore our connection to God.

I agree that it was not so much His death but rather it was His words, since those are what changes a person.

I believe that Jesus came to save us from attachment to the material world, which bars us from eternal life, which I believe is nearness to God.

John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.​

Jesus freed us from the chains of bondage, which is attachment to the material world. He gave us His teachings (profusion of His bounties) and then later died on the cross (suffered the greatest martyrdom) so we could be free of sin and attain everlasting life.

“…those who turned toward the Word of God and received the profusion of His bounties—were saved from this attachment and sin, obtained everlasting life, were delivered from the chains of bondage, and attained to the world of liberty. They were freed from the vices of the human world, and were blessed by the virtues of the Kingdom. This is the meaning of the words of Christ, “I gave My blood for the life of the world” 6 —that is to say, I have chosen all these troubles, these sufferings, calamities, and even the greatest martyrdom, to attain this object, the remission of sins”​

Some Answered Questions, p. 125​

 

[Arnaud1221]

God as a meaning of Dieu?

I think that Dieu, the word, need to be decode to understand.