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God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Yet that isn't the case. Myself, by denying free will, it opened my eyes to many previously unseen and unacknowledged factors influencing me, because it forced me to think about who I am and why I do the things I do.
Whatever works for you. We cannot all look at life the same way, nor were we ever intended to.

I would feel like a prisoner if I did not think I had free will to make changes to my life. That does not mean I can always change just because I think I can, but in my mind I know I can and that it is only ME who is preventing me from changing. That's okay because I do not think change should happen unless we are ready for it, and I know intuitively what I need to do and when. I also know when I should not do something even though I feel I should do it. I believe this guidance comes from God.

Right now I know that I can only do what I can do, which is just one thing at a time. When I am ready to do the next thing, I will know and I will do it. If I try to do more than I can, it just causes stress and it never turns out as I hoped it would. For everything there is a season.
We are products of our environment, victims of how our childhood shaped us.
That is totally untrue, as evidenced by many people who have broken free from their childhoods. We are not victims of anyone unless we allow ourselves to be victims by "believing" we are victims. We can free ourselves from our childhood if we make the necessary effort. Of course that requires exercising our own will. It certainly is not easy and for some it takes a very long time. Not all people are up to facing their childhood issues, it is easier to adjust, self-medicate or medicate to get through the day.

I was in recovery for over 15 years and I did not start until age 32. During these years, I was fortunate to have a stable job, a stable marriage, good counselors, and 12 step programs and homeopathy to help me, but I had to be "willing" to do the work. I had to want to recover more than anything else in the world. During those years, I had nothing to do with the Baha'i Faith or God, as I did not consider myself worthy of either until I recovered from my personal issues. Occasionally, I still have residual thoughts and feelings that are a result of my childhood, but I know why I have them and it does not cause me or anyone else any harm.

I chose to face my childhood issues head on and deal with them. I will never have to deal with them again because I am free of them. Life will still have its struggles but ALL of them are because of the material world and all I have to negotiate because of it. Not one struggle that I have now is owing to my relationship with myself or with other people. The material world is what causes all pain and sorrow, but thankfully this world and this life is only temporary so after I die and go to the spiritual world I will be free of it. Meanwhile, I just try to make the best of it, one day at a time. I get some enjoyment from animals and nature, but I am always happiest when I am helping other people and thinking of them and not myself. I have no interest in material things or physical pleasures. Thank God I am a Bahai so I know this material world is a mere nothing, an illusion that people imagine to be real.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Lack of evidence for a god says otherwise
There is evidence but there is no proof.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid:
Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement:
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
There is evidence but there is no proof.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid:
Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement:
What evidence? You may have me changing my mind if you can provide evidence.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What evidence? You may have me changing my mind if you can provide evidence.
I can tell you what the evidence is but I can assure you you won't like the evidence anymore than any other atheist likes it. You will say "That's not evidence."
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Is that it? The evidence is around the founder of a religion.?
Why not L Ron Hubbard or my hero Bobby Henderson?
Baha’u’llah wasn’t just a founder of a religion, He was a Manifestation of God (Messenger of God, Prophet).

Ron Hubbard and Bobby Henderson were/are just men and they did not even claim to speak for God, whereas Baha’u’llah did make that claim.

I told you that you would not consider it evidence. :rolleyes:
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Baha’u’llah wasn’t just a founder of a religion, He was a Manifestation of God (Messenger of God, Prophet).

Ron Hubbard and Bobby Henderson were/are just men and they did not even claim to speak for God, whereas Baha’u’llah did make that claim.

I told you that you would not consider it evidence. :rolleyes:
How dare you insult Bobby Henderson, he is more than a prophet and he often speaks with his Noodly Appendage (pbuh).

Is it any surprise that I do not consider it evidence? There is similar evidence for the claims of Bobby Henderson and Baha’u’llah, I chose to believe one, you the other..
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Protect humans anytime anywhere, So people can live a safe and prosperous life.
Oh yeah,we saw a demonstration of that recently in Sulawesi. First a quake, then a tsunami and lastly a volcano! 1,558 by latest count. God is testing.
I can tell you what the evidence is but I can assure you you won't like the evidence anymore than any other atheist likes it. You will say "That's not evidence."
What is easily refutable is not called evidence.
Baha’u’llah wasn’t just a founder of a religion, He was a Manifestation of God (Messenger of God, Prophet).
Why, because he said so? Circular reasoning (not including the images, of which there are thousands on internet).
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
How dare you insult Bobby Henderson, he is more than a prophet and he often speaks with his Noodly Appendage (pbuh).

Is it any surprise that I do not consider it evidence? There is similar evidence for the claims of Bobby Henderson and Baha’u’llah, I chose to believe one, you the other..
Did Bobby Henderson claim to be a Prophet of God?
What claims did he make?
What did he do and write to support those claims?
 
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