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God is simple, not complex

outhouse

Atheistically
Agreed. I am fairly conversant in classical theology; it doesn't appear that you are.


You mean your classroom made definition of the god concept based on Greek understanding that discusses a god in a abstract and metaphysical sense?


Golly Gee I never heard of your man made definition :rolleyes:

Most of the world follows the Abrahamic definitions, not ancient Greek philosopher's definition only argued in philosophy classes.
 

Gambit

Well-Known Member
Non sequitur

The monotheistic god has literally never stopped evolving in various cultures changing its definition.

The term "God" (with an upper case "G") is employed specifically to reference the monotheistic deity. The term "god" (with a lower case "g") is employed specifically to reference a polytheistic deity. (It is grammatically incorrect to use "god" to reference the monotheistic deity. And if you continue to do that, then you will fail to communicate effectively.)
 

Gambit

Well-Known Member
then one is now required to understand which Abrahamic deity you would like to debate

I had provided you with a link to the Wikipedia article on "classical theism" in my previous post. But it would appear that you have not taken upon yourself to learn about it. Below is a couple excerpts from that article. I would suggest that you read it.

In modern philosophy, classical theism is a theism in which God is characterized as the absolutely metaphysically ultimate being, in contrast to other conceptions such as Pantheism, Panentheism, Polytheism, and Process Theism...

Classical theism is, historically, the mainstream view in philosophy and is associated with the tradition of writers like Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, Augustine, St. Anselm, Maimonides, Averroes and Thomas Aquinas.[2]

(source: Wikipedia: Classical theism)
 

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
The term "God" (with an upper case "G") is employed specifically to reference the monotheistic deity. The term "god" (with a lower case "g") is employed specifically to reference a polytheistic deity. (It is grammatically incorrect to use "god" to reference the monotheistic deity. And if you continue to do that, then you will fail to communicate effectively.)

Don't you agree that grammar lessons should be delivered privately?
 

Gambit

Well-Known Member
You mean your classroom made definition of the god concept based on Greek understanding that discusses a god in a abstract and metaphysical sense?

Golly Gee I never heard of your man made definition :rolleyes:

Most of the world follows the Abrahamic definitions, not ancient Greek philosopher's definition only argued in philosophy classes.

The "straw man" God that you are hell-bent on dismantling here is not the God I am defending. I have attempted to explain this to you. But you are refusing to listen. I am arguing for a philosophical understanding of God, not a mythological one. If you want to argue against a mythological understanding of God, then you will have to find another thread.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The term "God" (with an upper case "G") is employed specifically to reference the monotheistic deity. The term "god" (with a lower case "g") is employed specifically to reference a polytheistic deity. (It is grammatically incorrect to use "god" to reference the monotheistic deity. And if you continue to do that, then you will fail to communicate effectively.)

This could be viewed as simple theistic nitpicking

And its debatable. There is more to it then simple monotheism VS polytheism.

Even the bible has issues with this in Daniel 11:37-38 kjv

For our debates here it is my personal choice, as most people are not aware the monotheistic deity is a compilation of two major deities. Not only that adding Jesus can be viewed as a form of polytheism, despite the religious dogma in the trinity redefinition.


Any time we are referring to the fact that some being or alleged being is a member of this class, it is grammatically appropriate to use a lowercase 'g' but inappropriate to use an uppercase 'G' - just as it would be inappropriate to talk about Apples or Cats.

The same holds true if we are speaking very generally about Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Sikh beliefs. It is appropriate to say that Christians believe in a god, that Jews believe in a single god, that Muslims pray every Friday to their god, and that Sikhs worship their god. There is absolutely no reason to capitalize 'god' in any of those sentences.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The "straw man" God that you are hell-bent on dismantling here is not the God I am defending

I have not even began with you. Your deity does not exist in reality. It is simply a philosophical classroom discussion on an Greek philosophical concept.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_theism

In modern philosophy, classical theism is a theism in which God is characterized as the absolutely metaphysically ultimate being

In other words, it is another man made definition of god separate from the biblical gods

they can be difficult to reconcile with the "near, caring, and compassionate" view of God presented in the religious texts of the main monotheistic religions, particularly the Bible.[3]




am arguing for a philosophical understanding of God,

Sorry that is not a historical discussion.

you will have to find another thread.

No sir.

This is not your thread, nor are you even on topic.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I had provided you with a link to the Wikipedia article on "classical theism

So where is a definition of this specific god you would like to debate? or does it say specifically this is a narrow abstract and metaphysical view of the god concepts?


What are the similarities of the Abrahamic god/s with the classical theistic version of this classroom deity?
 

Gambit

Well-Known Member
Any time we are referring to the fact that some being or alleged being is a member of this class, it is grammatically appropriate to use a lowercase 'g' but inappropriate to use an uppercase 'G' - just as it would be inappropriate to talk about Apples or Cats.

That's where you're wrong. Although this has already been explained to you, "God" (with an upper case "G") is not some being of a particular class.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
As long as believers call god a mystery, he will be complicated.

Its simple.

This is so true, Carlita!

A mystery, by definition, is unknowable. Yet the Bible says to "draw close to God"; but how could you, if He really is unknowable? Was Jesus 'unknowable'? No! Jesus loved people, and the common people (most of the time) loved him....even little children were drawn to him! And the Bible says "He is the image of the invisible God," and "the exact representation of His very being." --Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:3.
 

Reflex

Active Member
"Simple" means "without parts," not "uncomplicated"; "incomprehensible" does not mean "unknowable."
 
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