god, jesus, holy spirit before family? Really?

[elmarna]

it is in all respects, it is about choices. We have free will & a way to respond that inwardly we would support that which we truely find a good thing to express.
if god calls it is best to say i am not without answering with a question if the complete understanding is not there!

 

[ninerbuff]

it is in all respects, it is about choices. We have free will & a way to respond that inwardly we would support that which we truely find a good thing to express.
if god calls it is best to say i am not without answering with a question if the complete understanding is not there!

Some feel obligated to pick god first because of religion. So it's not about free will, but what may be understood by how they are taught.

 

[Riverwolf]

Some feel obligated to pick god first because of religion. So it's not about free will, but what may be understood by how they are taught.

But aren't all choices we make based on what we are taught?

 

[fallingblood]

i agree...
but my question to you is, how often do people (christians, in particular) do this? my guess is, not very many.

I would agree with you there. And the verses you quoted, can and have taken them to the extreme.

 

[ninerbuff]

But aren't all choices we make based on what we are taught?

No. If you're driving and never been taught to get out of sliding on ice, that may be split second decision making. Reflexive reactions usually aren't taught but still involve a decision by your brain.

 

[Riverwolf]

No. If you're driving and never been taught to get out of sliding on ice, that may be split second decision making. Reflexive reactions usually aren't taught but still involve a decision by your brain.

I'm not sure I'd classify that as a conscious "choice", though. We aren't our brains.

Still, choosing God above family in the manner being described, I'd think, is a conscious choice, not a reflex, so I don't think your example is a good comparison.

Though, honestly, I'm not sure what you were saying.

So it's not about free will, but what may be understood by how they are taught.

is kind of an odd sentence.

 

[ninerbuff]

I'm not sure I'd classify that as a conscious "choice", though. We aren't our brains.

Still, choosing God above family in the manner being described, I'd think, is a conscious choice, not a reflex, so I don't think your example is a good comparison.

Fair enough.

Though, honestly, I'm not sure what you were saying. is kind of an odd sentence.

If you ever saw the movie "Blue Lagoon", the kids were taught not to go to the other side of the island because it was "the law". Had they just listened to what they were taught, they would not have wandered to the other side of the island since they had no idea why it was against "the law" to do it. They wandered over there regardless of what was taught to them. They used their "free will" without knowledge given to them about the other side. Does that make any sense to you? Or am I the only one who may see it this way?

 

[Riverwolf]

If you ever saw the movie "Blue Lagoon",

Nope. Never heard of it.

the kids were taught not to go to the other side of the island because it was "the law". Had they just listened to what they were taught, they would not have wandered to the other side of the island since they had no idea why it was against "the law" to do it. They wandered over there regardless of what was taught to them. They used their "free will" without knowledge given to them about the other side. Does that make any sense to you? Or am I the only one who may see it this way?

That does make sense, but I may argue that they were somehow "taught", perhaps inadvertently, that they could go against "the law", somehow. Perhaps at one point they were "taught" that mystery is exciting, or "taught" that breaking the rules is fun, because things that are against the rules are fun, etc.

Of course, I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know what they're motives were.

 

[ninerbuff]

That does make sense, but I may argue that they were somehow "taught", perhaps inadvertently, that they could go against "the law", somehow. Perhaps at one point they were "taught" that mystery is exciting, or "taught" that breaking the rules is fun, because things that are against the rules are fun, etc.

Of course, I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know what they're motives were.

Quick plot. 2 children (5 years old) and the cook from a ship survive their ship sinking by getting stranded on a deserted island in the Pacific. The cook tries his best to teach the children, but ends up dying before they reach 7 years old. From that time on the kids learn on their own, but instilled in them was that they weren't to go to the other side of the island (natives from other islands held sacrifice rituals there).
Check out the movie. It's kinda cheesy, but Brooke Shields stars in it.

 

[Riverwolf]

Quick plot. 2 children (5 years old) and the cook from a ship survive their ship sinking by getting stranded on a deserted island in the Pacific. The cook tries his best to teach the children, but ends up dying before they reach 7 years old. From that time on the kids learn on their own, but instilled in them was that they weren't to go to the other side of the island (natives from other islands held sacrifice rituals there).
Check out the movie. It's kinda cheesy, but Brooke Shields stars in it.

Never heard of him/her. Doesn't really sound interesting. I'm not that interested in those lost island movies.