God loves Drama

[Spiderman]

Also, the first Christian Bible to exist was put together by the Catholic Church. I already I know this to be factual.

 

[stvdv]

Scripture says that God creates evil. Why? Imagine Spider-Man without villains or Batman without a joker or bad guy. Boring!
God needs entertainment. He needs controversial figures like Donald Trump, Hitler, Napoleon .. He needs the Devil. He creates antichrists.
Why does God create or permit so much evil and confusion in our world? Because he needs the entertainment and amusement. He needs a BS three ring circus sideshow. He creates evil so that he can be a greater hero when he defeats it. He also creates drama so that there can be heroic valiant deeds and mystery.

I see it a little different. People choose "evil" actions. And when they mess up then they blame God for creating their mess. Quite messed up don't you think?

 

[IsaiahX]

(First of all, I believe that it it is supposedly better translated cataclysm than evil. That dosen't make too much difference, but it is still something.)

As a universallist (one who believes that all people will eventually be saved) I believe that God allows evil purely so we will have more relief when he finally saves us from it completely. In addition, it's not like God is a stranger to suffering. The bible states that Christ was punished for our sins so that we may have deliverance.

Considering this, the God of christianity is in fact so loving that he allows evil-the thing that caused his own son a horrible death-just so that we will be happier when evil finally ends.

 

[Salvador]

Scripture says that God creates evil. Why? Imagine Spider-Man without villains or Batman without a joker or bad guy. Boring!

God needs entertainment. He needs controversial figures like Donald Trump, Hitler, Napoleon, and various tyrants. He needs the Devil. He creates antichrists.

Why does God create or permit so much evil and confusion in our world? Because he needs the entertainment and amusement. He needs a BS three ring circus sideshow. He creates evil so that he can be a greater hero when he defeats it. He also creates drama so that there can be heroic valiant deeds and mystery.

Sure, everybody likes at least some suspense-thrillers and drama.

 

[IsaiahX]

God enjoys the good ending more than the drama.

 

[Salvador]

Do you realize how morally bankrupt that makes God out to be?

The God of the Bible is morally bankrupt. Right?

 

[Salvador]

God enjoys the good ending more than the drama.

If God of the Bible really does enjoy the good endings more than the drama,, then why does God of the Bible create so much drama with bad tragic endings for some like Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt for looking the wrong way or eternal torment for all of them non-believers?

 

[Salvador]

Have you forgotten that Hitler and Trump were voted into power by popular vote?
It is simply our collective karma, nothing to do with anything God wishes persé.

Trump was elected President by the electoral college system and Hitler was appointed as Chancellor and later took control of power over Germany. Neither one was elected as President by the majority of the popular vote in any election.

 

[IsaiahX]

If God of the Bible really does enjoy the good endings more than the drama,, then why does God of the Bible create so much drama with bad tragic endings for some like Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt for looking the wrong way or eternal torment for all of them non-believers?

First of all, I would like to claim that the doctrine of everlasting torment in hell is completely unbiblical. The bible even claims in 1 Corinthians 15:22 "that for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." I would also like to clarify that I am not rejecting the doctrine of a hell all together, only saying that it is a place of torment for the sake of discipline, not for the sake of punishment in and of itself. Malchi 3:2 even states, "'But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.'"

Another misconception I would like to dispell is the notion that the bible says torment in hell will go on forever. The word in the bible used to describe the torment of unbelievers, aión, is more accuratly translated as going on for an age, a finite amount of time.If salvation can and will be obtained after death, then that's good news for even Lot's wife.

(btw, sorry for taking so long to respond)

 

[Salvador]

First of all, I would like to claim that the doctrine of everlasting torment in hell is completely unbiblical. The bible even claims in 1 Corinthians 15:22 "that for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." I would also like to clarify that I am not rejecting the doctrine of a hell all together, only saying that it is a place of torment for the sake of discipline, not for the sake of punishment in and of itself. Malchi 3:2 even states, "'But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.'"

Another misconception I would like to dispell is the notion that the bible says torment in hell will go on forever. The word in the bible used to describe the torment of unbelievers, aión, is more accuratly translated as going on for an age, a finite amount of time.If salvation can and will be obtained after death, then that's good news for even Lot's wife.

(btw, sorry for taking so long to respond)

Many Christians believe Hell is a literal place of punishment with eternal suffering, others believe there's a less sinister metaphoric meaning for Hell; maybe the God of the Bible needed to do a better job with defining the precise nature/purpose of Hell.

 

[IsaiahX]

Many Christians believe Hell is a literal place of punishment with eternal suffering, others believe there's a less sinister metaphoric meaning for Hell; maybe the God of the Bible needed to do a better job with defining the precise nature/purpose of Hell.

I believe that our misunderstanding of hell is caused more by selfish religious leaders controlling people with the threat of punishment than actual scripture

 

[Salvador]

I believe that our misunderstanding of hell is caused more by selfish religious leaders controlling people with the threat of punishment than actual scripture

A good reason why any misunderstanding regarding the nature and purpose of Hell should have been avoided with a well-defined explanation in the Bible of Hell's actual nature and purpose.

 

[IsaiahX]

A good reason why any misunderstanding regarding the nature and purpose of Hell should have been avoided with a well-defined explanation in the Bible of Hell's actual nature and purpose.

If you want a thorough list of what the bible actually says about the eternal fate of man, I would be happy to provide it.

John 12:32

"And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

1 Timothy 4:10

For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

1 Corinthians 15:22

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Ephesians 1:10

As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Acts 3:21

As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

(all quotations are from the ESV)

See what I mean? If all these verses are just a fraction of those that support salvation for all people, and any verse saying hell is eternal can be translated differently or interpreted as symbolic, then what is the problem?

 

[Segev Moran]

Scripture says that God creates evil. Why? Imagine Spider-Man without villains or Batman without a joker or bad guy. Boring!

Agreed. it will indeed be a boring movie

God needs entertainment.

God have no needs its kind of contradicts the entire idea of God

He needs controversial figures like Donald Trump, Hitler, Napoleon, and various tyrants.

Nope The ones who need it is us, not God.

Why does God create or permit so much evil and confusion in our world?

If there was none, we were not humans

Because he needs the entertainment and amusement.

I don't think God is amused with whats going on with humanity in the past 100s of years.

He needs a BS three ring circus sideshow. He creates evil so that he can be a greater hero when he defeats it. He also creates drama so that there can be heroic valiant deeds and mystery.

Why do you think God is going to defeat evil???

 

[InChrist]

And you don't know what context is correct. Before the 16th century, all churches believe that Holy Communion was the flesh and blood of Christ.

You say the command of Christ to eat his flesh and blood doesn't mean what it says.

I wonder how many other verses do not mean what they say. How do you know you have the correct context?

There is no way the first churches started by the apostles and made up of Jewish believers thought communion was the literal flesh and blood of Jesus.
Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” Acts 15:19-21

The whole of the scriptures themselves with the words of Jesus show that He was not commanding the literal eating of His flesh or drinking His blood, but rather believing in His sacrificial work of shed blood and broken body on the cross, once and for finished for the sins of the world.
So sad you can't comprehend this biblical reality.
Maybe you should consider the words of a man who was a devout Catholic priest for 22 years who now understands the blasphemous claim of the Catholic church in saying the Eucharist is the literal body and blood of Christ sacrificed during each mass.

 

[Spiderman]

There is no way the first churches started by the apostles and made up of Jewish believers thought communion was the literal flesh and blood of Jesus.
Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” Acts 15:19-21

The whole of the scriptures themselves with the words of Jesus show that He was not commanding the literal eating of His flesh or drinking His blood, but rather believing in His sacrificial work of shed blood and broken body on the cross, once and for finished for the sins of the world.
So sad you can't comprehend this biblical reality.
Maybe you should consider the words of a man who was a devout Catholic priest for 22 years who now understands the blasphemous claim of the Catholic church in saying the Eucharist is the literal body and blood of Christ sacrificed during each mass.

Jesus and Paul said that it is the body and blood of Christ. It's sad that you do not follow the Bible you cherish. You explain away the verses that don't tickle your fancy.

 

[AdamRaja]

Scripture says that God creates evil. Why? Imagine Spider-Man without villains or Batman without a joker or bad guy. Boring!

God needs entertainment. He needs controversial figures like Donald Trump, Hitler, Napoleon, and various tyrants. He needs the Devil. He creates antichrists.

Why does God create or permit so much evil and confusion in our world? Because he needs the entertainment and amusement. He needs a BS three ring circus sideshow. He creates evil so that he can be a greater hero when he defeats it. He also creates drama so that there can be heroic valiant deeds and mystery.

Why is almost the whole word obsessed with TV?
Watching an experience happen and play out effortlessly is fulfilling.
It takes you through many emotions.

Its not that God created people to be a certain way for amusement.. he simply created.
But to create you have to create all. Both sides of the same coin. No one could know what happy is without sad.. no one could no light without dark.
Everything is created.. its up to us to form reality and perception.

 

[Spiderman]

Why is almost the whole word obsessed with TV?
Watching an experience happen and play out effortlessly is fulfilling.
It takes you through many emotions.

Its not that God created people to be a certain way for amusement.. he simply created.
But to create you have to create all. Both sides of the same coin. No one could know what happy is without sad.. no one could no light without dark.
Everything is created.. its up to us to form reality and perception.

I've watched one movie in the last year. I'm not obsessed with TV.

 

[AdamRaja]

I've watched one movie in the last year. I'm not obsessed with TV.

That's what you got from my comment? lol
Good talk.

 

[Spiderman]

That's what you got from my comment? lol
Good talk.

I didn't exactly disagree with anything else you said