God loves mass killings?

[Spiderman]

If you pay attention God was angry at Israel first; not David. (2 Samuel 24:1)

But because of the righteousness and prayers of David; God would not punish Israel. So God allowed Satan to tempt David.

This was not really David's fault. Except if he had passed the test; then the wrath of God would have been stayed. Because David would have stood in the gap with his prayers for Israel. But when David gave into Satan's temptation his protection for Israel was removed for the time being.

But it was eventually David's prayer of repentance and sacrifice that stopped the plague before it killed even more people.

Why did God allow Satan to tempt David?

Why does God allow Satan to be God of this world and control people?

Why does God allow Satan to deceive, manipulate, confuse, blind, enslave, destroy, harm people??

It's because God obviously delights in evil, wickedness, death, chaos, war, destruction, and drama!

God is the cause of all of the above.

I'm not being unreasonable. I'm taking a stand against a God who loves evil and cruelty (while pretending to love peace. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing) and I think God can appreciate that I hate what goes against my conscience!

 

[John D. Brey]

Am I being unfair? I'm ready to accept him with open arms and praise him night and day, to see him be a little big faithful to his word in exchange!

No. Imo, you're not being unfair. You're being honest and faithful to a genuine irony, or paradox, between what's said in God's Name (Hashem הקב׳׳ה) and what we see with our eyes (2 Corinthians 5:7).



John

 

[stevecanuck]

I have a two-word answer to the OP:

The Flood.

 

[DNB]

In 2 Samuel 24, we find that King David decided to take a census of the men of fighting age. The prophet Gad was sent to David to announce God’s displeasure with the taking of the census. The punishment for David’s sin: “The Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from that morning until the appointed time; and seventy thousand of the people died” (2 Samuel 24:15). David makes a decision that does not please God, and God kills 70,000 Israelites for it?

Keep in mind, those are 70,000 people not guilty of the crime that they are being punished for.

This is actually a minor atrocity and injustice compared to other things God does in Scripture.

I could list a whole crap load of atrocities God delights in, but I'll focus on this, because I live in Minnesota, and we actually have pestilence, lime disease carrying ticks, mosquitoes, fleas, bed bugs that leave you looking like you have chicken pocks, roaches, and gnats up the wazoo, and working outside in the summer can be a nightmare!

But pestilence usually refers to a plague or epidemic. Either way, it is a very unpleasant, miserable way to go, and often involves infestations of rodents, fleas, or bugs.

To kill 70,000 people with pestilence over a census they are guilty of , is disgusting. In this case, it is extremely highly likely those people were not guilty of the census, just trying to simply live, provide for their families, and make a living by the sweat of their brow, without toilet paper, running water, plumbing, or electricity.

Their life already sucks and is harsh! Send them agony, torture, death of loved ones, pestilence, over a friggin census?

The Bible paints God up to be far more sick than I am on my worst days imaginable. I have outbursts of rage rarely, calm down, apologize, and don't kill people, even when they yank my arm out of socket, incarcerate me, put scabs and bruises on my face, and bloody my nose (all of which homo sapiens have done to me. I didn't kill them or want to).

I'm so glad Im not as narcissistic, sadistic, and sociopathic as the God of the Bible is!

But Christians at this website keep telling me, "God would never want you to hurt someone, Matthew!"

Oh really??

I mean, seriously??


Am I the only person here who has read the Bible from Genesis to revelation? It was so nauseating I almost blew chunks and vomited on the pages!

Fortunately, there are human beings I meet every day way nicer than the God of Scripture, and heavenly beings to pray to other than him.

The Bible is sometimes just a terrible thing to be using to judge, condemn, and correct people. I'm taking a stand against injustice and hatred!

Now excuse me while I go vomit!

As always, Spiderman, you have an agenda, and no matter what insights or wisdom anyone offers you you're going to rebut with a pessimistic take on a passage, or stubbornly continue to draw attention to the difficult and austere texts of the Bible. God's patience, love and mercy is the prevalent them throughout the Bible, and on the converse, man's incessant defiance, contempt and disregard for God is as equally predominant. How much blessings did God bestow upon Adam and Eve, upon the Israelites, upon David, and upon the returned Babylonian captives? And how often and continuous did they defy his Laws, and pledge their allegiance to either wooden idols, man or materialism?

There is not one good person on this planet, not one who loves his neighbour as himself, or God with all his heart, mind and soul. And, all that God has requested from us, is to be good and love one another, nothing more. Who are you going to blame when God exacts punishment on seemingly innocent or uninvolved people? You overlook the fact how much God has allowed man to get away with before he invokes His wrath and judgment. The only reason that you and I are still alive is because of His mercy and patience.

You whine too much Spiderman, you you don't listen to anyone who disagrees with you, and you show so much ignorance when you attempt to indict God with cruelty and sadism.

 

[Spiderman]

As always, Spiderman, you have an agenda, and no matter what insights or wisdom anyone offers you you're going to rebut with a pessimistic take on a passage, or stubbornly continue to draw attention to the difficult and austere texts of the Bible. God's patience, love and mercy is the prevalent them throughout the Bible, and on the converse, man's incessant defiance, contempt and disregard for God is as equally predominant. How much blessings did God bestow upon Adam and Eve, upon the Israelites, upon David, and upon the returned Babylonian captives? And how often and continuous did they defy his Laws, and pledge their allegiance to either wooden idols, man or materialism?

There is not one good person on this planet, not one who loves his neighbour as himself, or God with all his heart, mind and soul. And, all that God has requested from us, is to be good and love one another, nothing more. Who are you going to blame when God exacts punishment on seemingly innocent or uninvolved people? You overlook the fact how much God has allowed man to get away with before he invokes His wrath and judgment. The only reason that you and I are still alive is because of His mercy and patience.

You whine too much Spiderman, you you don't listen to anyone who disagrees with you, and you show so much ignorance when you attempt to indict God with cruelty and sadism.

Because life is torture for countless people and God lets the Devil run rampant and refuses to give most people understanding and a healthy mind.

I praise God for many good things in my life.

But usually life is torture and misery, and God refuses to give me a healthy mind and joy. And for many people I meet, life is a horrifying nightmare!

I ask very little from God. A sound mind , the holy spirit, instructions on what choices to make.

I get silence and confusion! It is thoroughly disgusting!

I try to be grateful, but life has been a bad enough confusing insane nightmare, I would have been better off if my mother had an abortion!

 

[Spirit of Light]

Because life is torture for countless people and God lets the Devil run rampant and refuses to give most people understanding and a healthy mind.

I praise God for many good things in my life.

But usually life is torture and misery, and God refuses to give me a healthy mind and joy. And for many people I meet, life is a horrifying nightmare!

I ask very little from God. A sound mind , the holy spirit, instructions on what choices to make.

I get silence and confusion! It is thoroughly disgusting!

I try to be grateful, but life has been a bad enough confusing insane nightmare, I would have been better off if my mother had an abortion!

May it be that some of your own choices in life has brought you in to the suffering and missary? And it is not God who are evil.

You have free will to do as God ask of you, or go after the fun and sometimes unhealthy in life, that can lead to suffering.

I have suffered a lot in my life too, but in therapy I realized I caused that suffering on to my self, by thinking wrongly about what actually happend.

 

[oldbadger]

............
The Bible is a whole collection of different bits of writing by different men in different times and places, about how they conceived of and related to God. Much of it is mythical, meaning that it's purpose is NOT FACTUAL, .................

The bible isn't true....?
OK........ much of it is mythical?

Right...... Got it.

 

[Spiderman]

May it be that some of your own choices in life has brought you in to the suffering and missary? And it is not God who are evil.

You have free will to do as God ask of you, or go after the fun and sometimes unhealthy in life, that can lead to suffering.

I have suffered a lot in my life too, but in therapy I realized I caused that suffering on to my self, by thinking wrongly about what actually happend.

Yes, but sometimes I made those mistakes believing I was doing God's will.

If God would end my confusion like I asked him to, no more mistakes!

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes, but sometimes I made those mistakes believing I was doing God's will.

If God would end my confusion like I asked him to, no more mistakes!

God isn't ending your confusion, but God gives you the tools you need to end your confusion by your own effort

The change is coming from you, not from God

 

[Hockeycowboy]

@Spiderman :

But it was eventually David's prayer of repentance and sacrifice that stopped the plague before it killed even more people.

Did you notice what 74x12 wrote? David realized what he had done, was wrong.

We’re not given many details of that incident, so maybe it would be wise to give Jehovah God a break?

The Apostle John knew the account....probably had more details than we have now....and John still said, “God is love.”

Some things to keep in mind:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1969209?q=

Besides, Who is going to bring them back to life? Acts of the Apostles 24:15.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

And another thing, @Spiderman ....

Jesus stated the greatest commandment is to “love God”. Deeply. Matthew 22:37

What person, who wants you to love him, is going to write a book and detail his seemingly disgraceful actions? That is being very candid.
We should be thankful for His honesty!

 

[KWED]

In 2 Samuel 24, we find that King David decided to take a census of the men of fighting age. The prophet Gad was sent to David to announce God’s displeasure with the taking of the census. The punishment for David’s sin: “The Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from that morning until the appointed time; and seventy thousand of the people died” (2 Samuel 24:15). David makes a decision that does not please God, and God kills 70,000 Israelites for it?

Keep in mind, those are 70,000 people not guilty of the crime that they are being punished for.

This is actually a minor atrocity and injustice compared to other things God does in Scripture.

I could list a whole crap load of atrocities God delights in, but I'll focus on this, because I live in Minnesota, and we actually have pestilence, lime disease carrying ticks, mosquitoes, fleas, bed bugs that leave you looking like you have chicken pocks, roaches, and gnats up the wazoo, and working outside in the summer can be a nightmare!

But pestilence usually refers to a plague or epidemic. Either way, it is a very unpleasant, miserable way to go, and often involves infestations of rodents, fleas, or bugs.

To kill 70,000 people with pestilence over a census they are guilty of , is disgusting. In this case, it is extremely highly likely those people were not guilty of the census, just trying to simply live, provide for their families, and make a living by the sweat of their brow, without toilet paper, running water, plumbing, or electricity.

Their life already sucks and is harsh! Send them agony, torture, death of loved ones, pestilence, over a friggin census?

The Bible paints God up to be far more sick than I am on my worst days imaginable. I have outbursts of rage rarely, calm down, apologize, and don't kill people, even when they yank my arm out of socket, incarcerate me, put scabs and bruises on my face, and bloody my nose (all of which homo sapiens have done to me. I didn't kill them or want to).

I'm so glad Im not as narcissistic, sadistic, and sociopathic as the God of the Bible is!

But Christians at this website keep telling me, "God would never want you to hurt someone, Matthew!"

Oh really??

I mean, seriously??


Am I the only person here who has read the Bible from Genesis to revelation? It was so nauseating I almost blew chunks and vomited on the pages!

Fortunately, there are human beings I meet every day way nicer than the God of Scripture, and heavenly beings to pray to other than him.

The Bible is sometimes just a terrible thing to be using to judge, condemn, and correct people. I'm taking a stand against injustice and hatred!

Now excuse me while I go vomit!

I'm not sure if he loves doing it, but he certainly seems compelled to do it. Maybe he hears voices...?

 

[PureX]

The bible isn't true....?
OK........ much of it is mythical?

Right...... Got it.

Why do you assume that myths aren't "true"? They aren't factual, but they are very often "true", in the sense that they are designed to convey the ideological truth of the cultures that create them.

 

[PureX]

I'm telling people the Bible is a bad piece of literature to judge, condemn, and correct people, when it contains obviously huge errors!

The only "errors" it contains are the ones you created by your own expectations.

 

[oldbadger]

Why do you assume that ...........

Stop you there.................
How can I be assuming anything if all that I did was ask you questions?

That's just strange......

 

[loverofhumanity]

In 2 Samuel 24, we find that King David decided to take a census of the men of fighting age. The prophet Gad was sent to David to announce God’s displeasure with the taking of the census. The punishment for David’s sin: “The Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from that morning until the appointed time; and seventy thousand of the people died” (2 Samuel 24:15). David makes a decision that does not please God, and God kills 70,000 Israelites for it?

Keep in mind, those are 70,000 people not guilty of the crime that they are being punished for.

This is actually a minor atrocity and injustice compared to other things God does in Scripture.

I could list a whole crap load of atrocities God delights in, but I'll focus on this, because I live in Minnesota, and we actually have pestilence, lime disease carrying ticks, mosquitoes, fleas, bed bugs that leave you looking like you have chicken pocks, roaches, and gnats up the wazoo, and working outside in the summer can be a nightmare!

But pestilence usually refers to a plague or epidemic. Either way, it is a very unpleasant, miserable way to go, and often involves infestations of rodents, fleas, or bugs.

To kill 70,000 people with pestilence over a census they are guilty of , is disgusting. In this case, it is extremely highly likely those people were not guilty of the census, just trying to simply live, provide for their families, and make a living by the sweat of their brow, without toilet paper, running water, plumbing, or electricity.

Their life already sucks and is harsh! Send them agony, torture, death of loved ones, pestilence, over a friggin census?

The Bible paints God up to be far more sick than I am on my worst days imaginable. I have outbursts of rage rarely, calm down, apologize, and don't kill people, even when they yank my arm out of socket, incarcerate me, put scabs and bruises on my face, and bloody my nose (all of which homo sapiens have done to me. I didn't kill them or want to).

I'm so glad Im not as narcissistic, sadistic, and sociopathic as the God of the Bible is!

But Christians at this website keep telling me, "God would never want you to hurt someone, Matthew!"

Oh really??

I mean, seriously??


Am I the only person here who has read the Bible from Genesis to revelation? It was so nauseating I almost blew chunks and vomited on the pages!

Fortunately, there are human beings I meet every day way nicer than the God of Scripture, and heavenly beings to pray to other than him.

The Bible is sometimes just a terrible thing to be using to judge, condemn, and correct people. I'm taking a stand against injustice and hatred!

Now excuse me while I go vomit!

I’m beginning to ask the question where these writers are getting their information from that ‘God said this or God said that’. Because to my knowledge there have only been a tiny handful Who received a direct Revelation from God and of those handful we cannot verify the authenticity of what They actually said.

You’ve got Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Christ, Zoroaster, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

The only authoritative scriptures we can prove legitimately are the Quran recorded in the lifetime of Muhammad over 23 years, the written Words of the Bab and Baha’u’llah. So we can only verify the Words of 3 Manifestations of God.

The others we can only confirm their truth if these 3 Messengers of God confirm it.

So when we read God said this and God commanded murder and genocide how do we know it wasn’t written by enemies of religion? Samuel is listed as being written by an ‘unknown author’ and possibly hundreds of years after the event.

Islam has a similar problem with Hadiths - sayings attributed to Muhammad. There were about 400,000 collected at one time with only a few thousand considered authentic. Many Hadiths were fabricated to slander Prophet Muhammad to curtail His rising popularity claiming He beheaded Jews and all sorts of lies when He actually never killed a soul.

Know ye that the Torah is that which was revealed in the Tablets to Moses, may peace be upon Him, or that to which He was bidden. But the stories are historical narratives and were written after Moses, may peace be upon Him.

('Abdu'l-Baha From a previously untranslated Tablet)


We cannot be sure of the authenticity of any of the phrases in the Old or the New Testament. What we can be sure of is when such references or words are cited or quoted in either the Quran or the Bahá'í writings.

(Shoghi Effendi 4 July 1947 to an individual believer)

 

[PureX]

How can I be assuming anything if all that I did was ask you questions?

You made statements and then stuck a question mark after them.

The bible isn't true....?
OK........ much of it is mythical?

Right...... Got it.

Those are both statements, not questions. And the "Got it" does not imply that you require any more information. I'm not seeing any real questions, here.

 

[oldbadger]

You made statements and then stuck a question mark after them.
Those are both statements, not questions. And the "Got it" does not imply that you require any more information. I'm not seeing any real questions, here.

.....I asked questions to check up on what you wrote!
See ya later.....

 

[1213]

... I think we all know, some are innocent of serious, unrepentant, unconfessed crimes against God . ...

I don’t know, I can’t read peoples minds and look everything they have done and what they are. But, I believe there has been at least one who was innocent, Jesus. He suffered and died without deserving it. But, I don’t think it is a problem, because God has compensated it for Jesus. I believe the same is with all innocent who have suffered and died.

Luckily in Biblical point of view this life is only like the Matrix, virtual reality where we can experience many things without anything destroying our soul. I think all Christians should remember this:

…fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell..
Matt. 10:28

For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, and whoever will lose his life for my sake will find it.
Matt. 16:25

"Therefore I tell you, don't be anxious for your life, what you will eat, nor yet for your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing. Consider the ravens: they don't sow, they don't reap, they have no warehouse or barn, and God feeds them. How much more valuable are you than birds! Which of you by being anxious can add a cubit to his height? If then you aren't able to do even the least things, why are you anxious about the rest? Consider the lilies, how they grow. They don't toil, neither do they spin; yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if this is how God clothes the grass in the field, which today exists, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith? Don't seek what you will eat or what you will drink; neither be anxious. For the nations of the world seek after all of these things, but your Father knows that you need these things. But seek God's Kingdom, and all these things will be added to you.
Luke 12:22-31

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

God loves mass killings?

Whether or not the God of Abraham "loves" mass killings, the stories do indicate that he has taken part as the active killer in quite a few of them. I don't think that can be disputed without a huge dose of misdirection, excuses made, and quite liberal "interpretation." There are those in the stories who died as a direct result, and with the explicit intent of God Himself, due to God's actions. That is literally the definition of killing. And, with the "intent" thrown in there, that becomes the literal definition of murder. It is quite as simple as that. I don't care that He created the people - I don't care if anyone thinks that means he can do whatever he wants to them, etc.

Let's say someone figures out cloning on their own, at their home, and is producing clones in test tubes and killing off all the ones that don't meet some criteria they have come up with ("They keep trying to do things I told them were bad!"). I don't care who you are - if you think that scenario would just be hunky dory, then you should have yourself checked for sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies.